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Someone at YouTube Needs Glasses: The Prophecy Has Been Fulfilled

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Post by everdrive »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #519
everdrive wrote: post #510

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I know no one likes hearing this because it's glib, but there's really no reason to use "apps" whatsoever. They're always worse in some baffling way, and until people start abstaining from them we'll be stuck here.

They can use features like GPU, USB, NFC, etc trivially; whereas websites and PWAs may not be able to at all.

In principle they could have good UIs, but some accident of incentives manages to prevent this. It's better for forgo the features to retain control over your own device.

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Post by fransje26 »

gambiting wrote: post #521
crote wrote: post #495

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Now we just need someone to build AR glasses with real-world adblocking...

I mean, it can be done with legislation too. Poland where I'm from used to be absolutely plastered with giant bilboards everywhere you looked, you literally couldn't go anywhere without seeing some ad in your perhipheral vision. But recently a new law was passed that banned all advertising in public spaces unless it's literally a banner above your store, and we suddenly got our public spaces back. It's almost weird n…

Exactly. I'm not from Poland, but this exact example came to mind when writing my comment.

Ads are not an inevitability.

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Post by throwaway290 »

Saigonautica wrote: post #277
foobarian wrote: post #244

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Morally, it is piracy IMO. If you applied the rule universally, the site would go out of business and then there would be no video to see.

I find this argument fascinating overall! I don't really use YouTube, but when ads play on random videos and it irritates me, I just close my eyes, the simplest version of content-blocking. (If the ad is painfully loud, I may also cover my ears in contexts where this is not extremely socially awkward) Can we say it's immoral for me to close my eyes? Can someone's business model be the basis of an argument that it's i…

It was fascinating to me for a bit but it gets old fast...

consumer: I want to fill my content hole with content someone made through hard work right now and for free and how dare they delay that by 5 seconds after which I can press Skip. I will employ sophisticated tricks and run untrusted code in my browser to work around that delay.

also consumer: I will totally not be pissed at all if there is no free content for me anymore. Their business model should fail because I did not consent to ads. How dare anyone consider and live within an objectively true reality that things have costs?

Is not you since you said you don't use youtube. but it is what many youtube users seem to think.

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Post by NewLogic »

theshrike79 wrote: post #518
autoexec wrote: post #516

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> The idiotic clickbait images and titles WORK. People don't use them because they want to, they use them because they have to. They only "work" if your only goal is to get clicks. Lots of literal toddlers and stupid adults will click on idiotic clickbait. Will they stay and watch the content? Will they understand it? Will they appreciate it? Or, will they just smash their fist at the screen when the next shiny obnox…

It's a business. Clicks (and views) equal money. You can always "respect your audience", but that won't pay the bills with Youtube's algorithms sadly. It's not the world I want to live in, but it's the current reality.

A business engaging in unethical practices, not respecting its audience and standing by the quality of its content.

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Post by fransje26 »

crote wrote: post #495
fransje26 wrote: post #466

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> Anyone else notice that most youtube ads are really bad. Claiming that (youtube) ads are bad is a tautology at this point. What else can be expected from something competing for what is left of a user's attention at the very lowest end of a market already overflooded with crud? The question should rather be: why would one voluntarily let one's well-being be polluted by such invasive, parasitic crap. There is nothin…

Now we just need someone to build AR glasses with real-world adblocking...

https://futurama.fandom.com/wiki/A_Bicyclops_Built_for_Two

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Post by codedokode »

atombender wrote: post #131
MBCook wrote: post #19

I noticed this morning there was a new version of the YouTube app on my Apple TV. I can’t wait to find out how they screwed this one up. My personal long-term complaint is the length of video titles. Lots of people like to make really long video titles. So right now there is one on my screen titled “The Best Decisions Every Video Game Console Developer Made”. Now if you didn’t know, that is not the whole title. But t…

The YouTube app is easily the worst app on Apple TV. For example, if you pause the video by clicking the main action button brings up an overlay that takes up almost the whole screen, so you can no longer see the content in case you paused to freeze the frame. How do you start it again? By clicking the same button, right? No! By clicking up. For some reason up means back and down means to open some additional UI with…

> so you can no longer see the content in case you paused to freeze the frame.

It's similar on desktop, if you pause the video, an overlay with recommendations appears, and it prevents you from reading the subtitles, for example.

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Post by thoroughburro »

iamtedd wrote: post #488
pitaj wrote: post #311

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Creators say that premium is a huge chunk of their YouTube revenue. I'm inclined to believe them over some random like you.

Either: I watch ten creators. I divide $10 per month between them evenly. They each get $1 per month. Or: I pay for YouTube premium. It costs $10 per month. I watch ten creators. The $10 goes to YouTube. I make the following assumptions: * YouTube only takes a portion of that $10 * YouTube divides the remaining money evenly across the creators I watch (10) Each creator gets less than $1 per month Which gives the crea…

> I watch ten creators. I divide $10 per month between them evenly. They each get $1 per month.

No, they don’t. How are you magically sending them this money? They all signed up for that method? And it doesn’t charge a minimum transfer fee?

You’re unserious.

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Post by codedokode »

jorvi wrote: post #526
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #473

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I have two sets (one is a 4K, and the other, a regular set). It happens on both. The crashes are different, though, for each app. Usually, it’s the app falling into a fugue state, at some point, as I am channel-surfing (I do that, a lot). I should also qualify that it’s not really “every single one” (that’s hyperbole). It’s the ones that I routinely use (Apple, Amazon, Hulu, and Netflix). I’ll probably get another on…

Interestingly enough the same happens on both Spotify's desktop and Chromecast / Apple TV application when you "song surf". If you rapidly keep skipping through a song, then to the next one and repeat, the performance will keep on tanking. After a while it'll take 5-10 seconds just to load a song, going to other UI sections will take 3-5 seconds to load, and eventually the application completely locks up and soft reb…

Javascript garbage collector wouldn't take so long... probably it's launching a new thread or process (for example, DRM decryption) for every song, and there becomes too many of them. Or it runs out of memory and starts swapping.

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Post by MandieD »

Nextgrid wrote: post #82
koakuma-chan wrote: post #33

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YouTube hasn't been working for me past two weeks with uBlock Origin. Video doesn't play.

Counterpoint: it works, you just have to wait a bit, since now the server will not actually send you the video until the mandatory (pre-skip) ad’s length has elapsed. Which is fully in their right, I’m not complaining, it’s not like I’m any worse off (waiting on a black screen vs waiting while some bullshit ad tells me to CoNsUmE PrOduCt!!!)

It's helping teach my five year old patience and not to flail around hitting the keyboard when something doesn't happen immediately. He only gets to watch videos and playlists I search out for him, and only when I'm in the room... no YouTube Kids here. Once he's able to spell well enough to search, I'll have to re-adjust.

I have found, and this might just be psychological, that if I hit pause, wait a second, then play, the video starts playing within a few seconds.

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Post by codedokode »

stogot wrote: post #327
atombender wrote: post #131

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The YouTube app is easily the worst app on Apple TV. For example, if you pause the video by clicking the main action button brings up an overlay that takes up almost the whole screen, so you can no longer see the content in case you paused to freeze the frame. How do you start it again? By clicking the same button, right? No! By clicking up. For some reason up means back and down means to open some additional UI with…

The YouTube app is the worst on its own site too. I don’t login to any Google account and I turned off site history, and now the homepage is completely blank. Yup. Google won’t even show me a single video on the homepage because I refuse to turn on history. Which is actually kind of nice for preventin distractions

It's actually good, the default videos are usually fighting videos, dash camera videos and garbage TV series. You don't want to see them anyway.
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