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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by dragontamer »

hearsathought wrote: post #521
dragontamer wrote: post #371

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Well yeah. No one is saying that China cannot do that. Just that the political calculus is that it's better for China to spend their resources on that, rather than building up troops and warships. Force Chinas growth to be more expensive. It has nothing to do with not believing China can do it, it's about slowing them down in a task we believe that they can do.

> it's about slowing them down in a task we believe that they can do. But it's not slowing them down. It's forcing them to accelerate development ( aka investing more into the sector ). Has china invested more or less? It's amazing how blind people are to this counterintuitive fact.

Oh, and your plan is to just give them the chips they want directly?

Of course investing into chip development is slowing China down. Its slower to build their own than for us to give them those chips.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by general1465 »

Stranger43 wrote: post #523
general1465 wrote: post #508

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EU has enough logistical capacity, but Russian nationalists like to dismiss EU like some kind of temporary group while they are riding donkeys to battle.

Lets talk numbers, rather then just sling cheap unfounded allegations The problem with the way they talk at the big conferences is that there is almost no link between the rhetoric of existential crisis and the bills being passed at the national level. The last numbers from Ukraine was a army of maybe 900k uniformed troops(thats up there with America) and as a response to that army's failure to drive Russia back Germ…

> Lets talk numbers, rather then just sling cheap unfounded allegations

> Ukraine was a army of maybe 900k uniformed troops

you have provided only 1 number and it was not about EU.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by HDThoreaun »

jatsek wrote: post #285
vkou wrote: post #252

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A US company is free to cut off service to whatever foreigner it wants, just like a foreign country is free to ban whatever US firm it wants from operating in it.

Please look up what happened to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras or Costa Rica when they tried banning whatever US firm they wanted.

They all freed themselves from their captors and became sovereign countries?

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by thenaturalist »

dredmorbius wrote: post #456
thenaturalist wrote: post #294

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It would be really, really great when the open Israel hate and borderline Antisemitism displayed in many threads related to these topics could be moderated to the same tune. It's the same hate that has killed Jewish Americans in the past year. Many of these replies are very low on facts, very high on emotionally loaded subjective opinions. It's a challenging task as BBC and so many more Western media outlets had to r…

HN mods act on behaviour rather than position . If someone's violating HN's guidelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html >) or FAQ ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html >), flag the post or comment. Both links are found at the bottom of most HN pages. If there's an egregious violation, email mods at hn@ycombinator.com. Most moderation (that is, votes and flags) are by members of the site, mods…

This reads like a sleek way to weasel oneself out of responsibility.

So what you're effectively implying is that the court of public (in Israel instances very clearly biased) opinion rules the site?

So guidelines for thee (Israel supporters) but not for me (Israel haters and Antisemites).

A famous poem from Martin Niemöller, who actually lived through facism comes to mind:

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist

    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist

    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist

    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew

    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by beej71 »

dragontamer wrote: post #531
hearsathought wrote: post #521

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> it's about slowing them down in a task we believe that they can do. But it's not slowing them down. It's forcing them to accelerate development ( aka investing more into the sector ). Has china invested more or less? It's amazing how blind people are to this counterintuitive fact.

Oh, and your plan is to just give them the chips they want directly? Of course investing into chip development is slowing China down. Its slower to build their own than for us to give them those chips.

> Oh, and your plan is to just give them the chips they want directly?

Yes! Remove the impetus for them to innovate and make them reliant on our exports.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by grafmax »

cthe wrote: post #529
grafmax wrote: post #491

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From the Russia POV invading Ukraine was a response to NATO expanding there. An imminent invasion of Europe seems outside of Russia’s geopolitical goals. But Europe’s leaders on the other hand do seem invested in escalating this conflict, a lack of finances notwithstanding.

This is a fake news from Russia... Both Germany and France said no for Ukraine to join NATO several times, exactly to avoid poking the bear and starting a war.

First off, what I stated is a view held by reputable scholars such as Noam Chomsky, Jeffrey Sachs, and John Mearsheimer, not just a view you (also) can find in Russian propaganda.

Second my point is understanding the Russian POV, regardless of the correctness of that POV.

Third, your comment is off base historically. The timeline is:

2007 Putin’s Munich speech warning against NATO expansion to Eastern Europe.

Feb 2008 US ambassador warning that NATO expansion to Ukraine was a red line for Russia.

April 2008 Bucharest summit Ukraine and Georgia were not given MAPs due to France and Germany objections but were promised NATO accession over their objections.

August 2008 invasion of Georgia.

Nov 2013-Feb 2014 Euromaidan protests overthrowing Russia-sympathetic Yanukovych

2014 invasion of Crimea

Feb 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

Besides this Putin has argued for the invasion of Ukraine as restoration of historical Russia as part of his nationalist ideology. And other examples of NATO expansion such as Baltics, Poland and Finland have not led to Russian attacks.

Overall the concerns many European leaders have about Russia need to be tempered by a better understanding of Russia’s actual perspective (as I said not the same as advocating for that perspective).

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Post by mopsi »

grafmax wrote: post #537
cthe wrote: post #529

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This is a fake news from Russia... Both Germany and France said no for Ukraine to join NATO several times, exactly to avoid poking the bear and starting a war.

First off, what I stated is a view held by reputable scholars such as Noam Chomsky, Jeffrey Sachs, and John Mearsheimer, not just a view you (also) can find in Russian propaganda. Second my point is understanding the Russian POV, regardless of the correctness of that POV. Third, your comment is off base historically. The timeline is: 2007 Putin’s Munich speech warning against NATO expansion to Eastern Europe. Feb 200…

  > First off, what I stated is a view held by reputable scholars such as Noam Chomsky, Jeffrey Sachs, and John Mearsheimer, not just a view you (also) can find in Russian propaganda.
They are Russian propaganda, Mearsheimer most notably. His books are financed by the Russian government. If these people are your primary sources, you will end up believing that the Holocaust is a lie, the Americans never landed on the Moon, 5G is for mind control, and vaccines cause autism.

  > Overall the concerns many European leaders have about Russia need to be tempered by a better understanding of Russia’s actual perspective
Who do you think has a better understanding of Russia: those who had the misfortune of being born and raised in the USSR and saw Russian imperialism from the inside (this generation currently fills the top leadership positions in Eastern Europe), or "reputable scholars" from the other side of the world who cannot speak or read a word of Russian and know nothing about the country beyond what their handlers showed them during a conference visit? Do you think that Kaja Kallas, the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs, whose mother was deported as a six-month-old baby to Siberian labor camp after the Soviet invasion of Estonia, and whose father later became one of the four architects of the Estonian independence movement, needs to be lectured by Mearsheimers and Chomskys?

If anything, the Anglo-American world has lived for too long in a fantasy land constructed by reputable and disreputable scholars from afar, instead of listening to those with lived experience and knowledge accumulated over a lifetime.

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Post by drysine »

a2tech wrote: post #46
embedding-shape wrote: post #22

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> It used to be that the US stood out because it took the law seriously and believed in its ideals to do the right thing I think it looked like that, because the US always been very effective at propaganda, and until the internet and the web made it very easy for people to communicate directly with each other without the arms of media conglomerates. It's now clearer than ever that US never really believed in its own…

I’m an American and I can safely vouch that myself and most of the people I know deeply believe in the American ideals that have been presented as gospel for decades—fair play, hard work, rule of law, loving our neighbors (regardless of legal status), and to a one, believe that as soon as you swear your oath at the immigration court, you’re an American, regardless of the circumstances of your birth. The situation we…

>the American of today does not represent us well

Why did good honest people of the US reelected Bush Jr. after the illegal invasion of Iraq when no WMD was found?

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by kombine »

breppp wrote: post #144
kombine wrote: post #109

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This is demagoguery. There is ample evidencence that Israel committed genocide in Gaza. Historians who study genocide all their careers, including Israeli Jewish ones, concluded it a long time ago. There is 100 pages with references in the application by South Africa to the ICJ. If you intend to take the same route as the Holocaust denialists, the burden is on you to disprove all the evidence.

last time I checked a basic part of a trial is the mere existence of it is not a proof of guilt.. While most of your argument is the fact that because South Africa has sued Israel in international court then it is somehow proof of genocide. Regarding scholars, again not enough I am sorry. In reality after more than two years the Gazan population hasn't even declined in size, which makes the entire case for genocide m…

I repeat, the evidence that South Africa submitted in this application spans 100 pages with reference. You are not disproving that but instead throwing ridiculous claims that Gazan population hasn't declined in size.
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