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Re: Gemini 3

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Post by amelius »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #525
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #151

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They've poisoned the internet with their monopoly on advertising, the air pollution of the online world, which is an transgression that far outweighs any good they might have done. Much of the negative social effects of being online come from the need to drive more screen time, more engagement, more clicks, and more ad impressions firehosed into the faces of users for sweet, sweet, advertiser money. When Google final…

People love getting their content for free and that's what Google does. Even 25 years ago people wouldn't even believe Youtube exists. Anyone can upload whatever they want, however often they want, Youtube will be responsible for promoting it, they'll provide to however many billions users want to view it, and they'll pay you 55% of the revenue it makes?

> People love getting their content for free and that's what Google does.

They are forcing a payment method on us. It's basically like they have their hand in our pockets.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by carlosjobim »

xordon wrote: post #507
kryogen1c wrote: post #452

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> They've poisoned the internet And what of the people that ravenously support ads and ad-supported content, instead of paying? What of the consumptive public? Are they not responsible for their choices? I do not consume algorithmic content, I do not have any social media (unless you count HN for either). You can't have it both ways. Lead by example, stop using the poison and find friends that aren't addicted. Build…

I don't understand your logic, it seems like victim blaming. Using the internet and pointing out that targeted advertising has a negative effect on society is not "having it both ways". Also, HN is by definition algorithmic content and social media, in your mind what do you think it is?

You are not a "victim" for using or purchasing something which is completely unnecessary. Or if that's the case, then you have no agency and have to be medicinally declared unfit to govern yourself and be appointed a legal guardian to control your affairs.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by realty_geek »

ZeroCool2u wrote: post #521
realty_geek wrote: post #474

I would like to try controlling my browser with this model. Any ideas how to do this. Ideally I would like something like openAI's atlas or perplexity's comet but powered by gemini 3.

Seems like their new Antigravity IDE specifically has this built in. https://antigravity.google/docs/browser

Wow, that is awesome.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by shakna »

starchild3001 wrote: post #526
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've poisoned the internet with their monopoly on advertising, the air pollution of the online world, which is an transgression that far outweighs any good they might have done. Much of the negative social effects of being online come from the need to drive more screen time, more engagement, more clicks, and more ad impressions firehosed into the faces of users for sweet, sweet, advertiser money. When Google final…

What kind of world do you live in? Actually Google ads tend to be some of the highest ROI for the advertiser and most likely to be beneficial for the user. Vs the pure junk ads that aren't personalized, and just banner ads that have zero relationship to me. Google Ads is the enabler of free internet. I for one am thankful to them. Else you end up paying for NYT, Washinton Post, Information etc -- virtually for any hi…

Ads. Beneficial to the user.

Most of the time, you need to pick one. Modern advertising is not based on finding the item with the most utility for the user - which means they are aimed at manipulating the user's behaviour in one way or another.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by xnx »

agnosticmantis wrote: post #456
xnx wrote: post #163

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2D SVG is old news. Next frontier is animated 3D. One shot shows there's still progress to be made: https://aistudio.google.com/apps/drive/1XA4HdqQK5ixqi1jD9uMg...

This says Gemini 2.5 though.

Good observation. The app was created with Gemini 3 Pro Preview, but the app calls out to Gemini 2.5 if you use the embedded prompt box.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by AstroBen »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #305
tylervigen wrote: post #164

I am personally impressed by the continued improvement in ARC-AGI-2, where Gemini 3 got 31.1% (vs ChatGPT 5.1's 17.6%). To me this is the kind of problem that does not lend itself well to LLMs - many of the puzzles test the kind of thing that humans intuit because of millions of years of evolution, but these concepts do not necessarily appear in written form (or when they do, it's not clear how they connect to specif…

What I would do if I was in the position of a large company in this space is to arrange an internal team to create an ARC replica, covering very similar puzzles and use that as part of the training. Ultimately, most benchmarks can be gamed and their real utility is thus short-lived. But I think this is also fair to use any means to beat it.

Is "good at benchmarks instead of real world tasks" really something to optimize for? What does this achieve? Surely people would be initially impressed, try it out, be underwhelmed and then move on. That's not great for Google

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by mparis »

I've been playing with the Gemini CLI w/ the gemini-pro-3 preview. First impressions are that its still not really ready for prime time within existing complex code bases. It does not follow instructions.

The pattern I keep seeing is that I ask it to iterate on a design document. It will, but then it will immediately jump into changing source files despite explicit asks to only update the plan. It may be a gemini CLI problem more than a model problem.

Also, whoever at these labs is deciding to put ASCII boxes around their inputs needs to try using their own tool for a day.

People copy and paste text in terminals. Someone at Gemini clearly thought about this as they have an annoying `ctrl-s` hotkey that you need to use for some unnecessary reason.. But they then also provide the stellar experience of copying "a line of text where you then get | random pipes | in the middle of your content".

Codex figured this out. Claude took a while but eventually figured it out. Google, you should also figure it out.

Despite model supremacy, the products still matter.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by _2d30 »

ethmarks wrote: post #509
_2d30 wrote: post #453

Gemini 3 is crushing my personal evals for research purposes. I would cancel my ChatGPT sub immediately if Gemini had a desktop app and may still do so if it continues to impress my as much as it has so far and I will live without the desktop app. It's really, really, really good so far. Wow. Note that I haven't tried it for coding yet!

Genuinely curious here: why is the desktop app so important? I completely understand the appeal of having local and offline applications, but the ChatGPT desktop app doesn't work without an internet connection anyways. Is it just the convenience? Why is a dedicated desktop app so much better than just opening a browser tab or even using a PWA? Also, have you looked into open-webui or Msty or other provider-agnostic L…

I have a few reasons for the preference:

(1) The ability to add context via a local apps integration into OS level resources is big. With Claude, eg, I hit Option-SPC which brings up a prompt bar. From there, taking a screenshot that will get sent my prompt is as simple as dragging a bounding box. This is great. Beyond that, I can add my own MCP connectors and give my desktop app direct access to relevant context in a way that doesn't work via web UI. It may also be inconvenient to give context to a web UI in some case where, eg, I may have a folder of PDFs I want it to be able to reference.

(2) Its own icon that I can CMD-TAB to is so much nicer. Maybe that works with a PWA? Not really sure.

(3) Even if I can't use an LLM when offline, having access to my chats for context has been repeatedly valuable to me.

I haven't looked at provider-agnostic apps and, TBH, would be wary of them.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by spprashant »

AstroBen wrote: post #536
stephc_int13 wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I would do if I was in the position of a large company in this space is to arrange an internal team to create an ARC replica, covering very similar puzzles and use that as part of the training. Ultimately, most benchmarks can be gamed and their real utility is thus short-lived. But I think this is also fair to use any means to beat it.

Is "good at benchmarks instead of real world tasks" really something to optimize for? What does this achieve? Surely people would be initially impressed, try it out, be underwhelmed and then move on. That's not great for Google

Initial impressions are currently worth a lot. In the long run I think the moat will dissolve, but currently its a race to lock-in users to your model and make switching costs high.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by closewith »

rafaquintanilha wrote: post #280
closewith wrote: post #254

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Yeah, it truly is an outstandingly bad UX. To use Gemini CLI as a business user like I would Codex or Claude Code, how much and how do I pay?

You can install the Gemini CLI ( https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli ) but assign a "paid" API key to it (unless you pay for Gemini Ultra).

So where do I get a API key? Where do I sign up for Ultra?
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