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Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by cthalupa »

Terr_ wrote: post #404
cthalupa wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with this argument is the Permanent Apportionment Act. The House is more representative of the people than the Senate, but capping the size means that as it stands lower population states still receive an outsized amount of power per capita in the House vs. more populous states. As electoral votes are based on Congressional representatives across the two chambers, this also means they have outsized impact…

> The deck is stacked in favor of rural states in too many places for it to be balanced. As a technical quibble, the mechanics have nothing to do with rural-vs-urban, but low-vs-high population chunks. I mention it mainly because there's a certain bloc that argues farmers deserve extra votes for dumb reasons. One could theoretically carve up any major metropolitan area into a bunch of new states that would be the sam…

True.

I just meant in practice that the low-population states tend to be rural.

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Post by cartoonworld »

GloriousKoji wrote: post #314
CalChris wrote: post #139

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Both Senators in California, my state, voted for the ban. Neither has explained why.

I didn't want to believe you so I went to the source: https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1... wtf.

That’s not all that was added in there

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by judahmeek »

asveikau wrote: post #463
cthalupa wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was an opportunity for this bit to be removed from the bill. 76 of 100 voted to keep it. This, is like, literally the entire point of discussion in this part of the thread? I don't understand where your confusion lies.

Are you saying it was an amendment? That it not what I get from this or any articles I've seen about it. TFA: > On Sunday, Senate leadership inserted a hemp-recriminalization clause into the must-pass funding bill > ... > Not a standalone bill. Not a debate on cannabis reform. Seems like it wasn't a full Senate vote on a specific amendment, but the bill as a whole. I've elsewhere seen it stated as McConnell acting al…

> For example maybe they felt the amendment would kill the bill, because house and senate bills need to match, and the terms had already been negotiated.

I don't recall ever hearing of reconciliation being a deal-breaker.

Also, if Senate leadership inserted the clause, that means that it wasn't in the House's version to begin with.

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by heavyset_go »

throwup238 wrote: post #350
dfxm12 wrote: post #150

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People upthread are arguing about the senate as a system, but how much does that really matter when wildly popular things, like legalizing marijuana, are not even considered by anyone in congress? A majority of Americans are in favor of this, and have been for over a decade .

The DEA started hearings on rescheduling marijuana last year. It’s currently on hold pending an appeals court case.

If it's scheduled at all, you aren't getting it without a regular prescription from a medical doctor, and its production will be highly regulated, subject to DEA limits and quotas, and patients will need to carry their prescription with them at all times if they leave their home with marijuana on them.

That's not the same thing as legalization as it's implemented elsewhere in the US.

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by mind-blight »

hemp_is_canvas wrote: post #75
mind-blight wrote: post #58

This is a weird one. It absolutely should not be haphazardly added as a rider. The 0.4 per container is also insane. But, this really was an unintended loophole of the 2018 farm bill. Most plants grow THCa, which turns into Delta-9 when heated. They were ignorant and straight up forgot to specify anything except Delta-9. Cannabis is a bioremediator and absorbs basically every environmental toxin from the ground (pest…

There is pretty extensive testing throughout the industry. Small hemp farms don't want to murder their customers or themselves.

It's night and day. It's also about access. The labs in legal states usually just test for more things. For a while, it was one or two labs plus a Cole extraction companies that were pushing the testing boundaries. Then, relation caught up and pushed the broader testing on to everyone. Then there were managed batch sizes (though these got too small in Oregon). Hemp does not have the same regulations, and unregulated states have way less infrastructure (including access to good labs).

Nobody wants to harm their customers, but it 100% happened in the early days. A lot of harm is/was not immediately obvious. Of was repeated exposure to harmful chemicals. Good intentions are great, but resources and incentives still matter. Nobodyv wants to get hacked, but building a new feature over hardening is what stops you from getting yelled at

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by oblio »

lazide wrote: post #315
oblio wrote: post #301

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Haven't the Swiss solved this? Maybe you Americans should figure out the first step of engineering, which is to look at existing solutions and learn from them :-p

The Swiss have a representative democracy with a slightly different way of ‘representing’.

We can move the goalposts as much as we like, but the Swiss have the closest approximation of a direct democracy in the world, right now.

So before dreaming about 100% democracy, maybe the US could slide away from "flawed democracy", first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index#...

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Post by walletdrainer »

array_key_first wrote: post #498
SoftTalker wrote: post #450

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A principled "small government" alternative would be ... nothing. Their view is that the federal government should have no role in providing health insurance.

Which is a very nice view, until the federal government has to start getting involved anyway because someone has to scrape the rotting corpses off the streets. Ultimately the health and life of the citizens is one of the most foundational concerns of any nation. You literally can't just ignore it. You have to face it, whether you want to or not.

Scraping rotting corpses off the streets is really a job better left to the states.

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Post by thrance »

brightball wrote: post #81
mullingitover wrote: post #10

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The ACA was very much a compromise that Republicans wanted over a better healthcare bill supported by the Democrats. It's basically a big cash present to insurance companies, who were free to jack up premiums and get paid by the Governement for it. Now that's gone, and the jacked up prices are now falling into the regular folk.

The GOP has zero plans to improve healthcare in this country, their messaging focuses on self-medication through their four magical products: raw milk, methylene blue, horse dewormer and Hydroxychloroquine. They are very much anti-vaccines and anti-science, in that they defeunded most health research and prefer an holistic/esoteric understanding of medicine to it.

Ultimately, I think this is good. The GOP is completely uninterested/unable of running this country. The sooner people realize this, the sooner we can be rid of them.

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by antonymoose »

dawnerd wrote: post #12
monooso wrote: post #3

Not only that, the same bill includes a provision which allows "...eight Republican senators to seek hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages for alleged privacy violations stemming from the Biden administration's investigation of the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot." [1]. This ability to tack random unrelated legislation onto a bill makes no sense to me. [1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/deal-end-us-shutdow…

Always amazes me that we allow multiple bills to be packaged together. Needs to be one bill = 1 vote. Not hundreds/thousands of pages of bills no one will read all rushed through because funding.

I don’t like massive omnibus bills, but at the same time it provides I suppose a “transaction commit” mechanism for lawmakers to group unrelated elements.

You support my bill, I support yours, we both win. In the case is one-bill, one-entry requirements it allows for bad faith negotiations and trickery.

Maybe there is some middle ground where we cap the number of unrelated entries on a bill to allow transactions but not the classic “we don’t have time to read” shenanigans.

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by lazide »

oblio wrote: post #536
lazide wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Swiss have a representative democracy with a slightly different way of ‘representing’.

We can move the goalposts as much as we like, but the Swiss have the closest approximation of a direct democracy in the world, right now. So before dreaming about 100% democracy, maybe the US could slide away from "flawed democracy", first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index#...

Sure, but who is going to be elected who would do that?

And as has been quite apparent, since the most folks will do is peacefully protest if outside the voting system - and be ignored - how else is it going to change?

And if either of those were working, we wouldn’t be complaining about this online anyway eh?

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