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Why aren't smart people happier?

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Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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I’d do anything for a single high IQ , but open minded friend. I find every smart person I’ve met thinks the best strategy in life is to parrot other smart people. Don’t get me wrong it can be a successful strategy but I want someone to do first principles thinking with.

Hi. Want to schedule a call?

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#532

I know this is not the definition of smart the article goes for, but even if you are truly smart and have life figured out completely, can someone who’s aware of the current state of our world be actually happy?

Yes, I am quite happy. Sadly it took 20 years of pain but I got there.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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For me this has 100% been the main source of unhappiness in my life. I wish nobody had ever told me how smart I was as a child. The reality was that I was above average but in an unremarkable collection of kids mostly. I’ve done fine in life academically and career wise but I’ll never live up to the expectations that were planted in my head. Thankfully you can get over this/yourself and let go of ego, ambition, achie…

I think most kids in this situation eventually hit a wall where things become difficult and being "smart" on its own is not enough. And people hit that at different age, maturity and availability of support. They need to transition to working hard and that is tough.

The reality as well is being smart 'enough' isn't truly all the rare. No matter how smart one is, there is always someone smarter. Thus, I believe it's important to value and cherish other abilities as well. For what is being smart worth without creativity, charisma, empathy, etc.?

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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I think smart people are told much more often as kids how bright of a future they have. So they build up expectations of "succeeding" in some sense (becoming a doctor, getting rich, etc.). These are the sort of expectations you mention in your quote. Not only is there often pressure put on you if you're smart, you adopt those expectations yourself. Or at least hold yourself to that standard. Of course, being smart do…

For me this has 100% been the main source of unhappiness in my life. I wish nobody had ever told me how smart I was as a child. The reality was that I was above average but in an unremarkable collection of kids mostly. I’ve done fine in life academically and career wise but I’ll never live up to the expectations that were planted in my head. Thankfully you can get over this/yourself and let go of ego, ambition, achie…

I think easier said than done. I was similarly labelled as "gifted" as a child and have struggled my entire life with being ok with where I was, in academics, career even romantic relationships.

Looking at what I've accomplished and obtained, they're objectively better than average along pretty much every dimension. But, I still struggle to be satisfied. I know this is a me issue, but I also don't know how to change it.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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Might be useful to ask a different question: What makes people happy? It's things like relationships, satisfying work, accomplishment. (and many, many more) Then the real question emerges: How many of those happiness 'sources' are made better by intelligence? What percentage? Relationships? Seems like no. Work? Also seems like no, lots of work doesn't make use of a high IQ that people enjoy nonetheless. Accomplishmen…

> What makes people happy? Wellbutrin

I have an opportunity to try this, and I am absolutely horrified at the prospects. I've just got a bad feeling about it. Plus, I am on a medication that is quite dangerous to mix with it, so that further complicated matters.

What's so good about Bupropion?

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#537

Intelligent people are also pretty ambitious in my experience. More ambition raises the risk of failure and failing doesn’t generate the feeling of happiness. I know many smart people absolutely terrified of failure to the point they take meds for it and I know a handful who are emotionally crippled by failing at something 20 years ago. Smart people and failure do not mix.

I do not know how intelligent I am. I've taken a real IQ test, but I do not truly accept the science behind them. For N=1, the correlations do not hold true within my own life, for example. Nevertheless, I was once very ambitious, but I feel like the world has zapped it out of me. I found myself in situation after situation in which conformity and obedience were valued above all else.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#538
This framing leads to a major problem: people who are smart and unhappy will believe that unhappiness is necessary.

This is a common coping mechanism for anxiety: you believe that the reason you are anxious is because you have access to some kind of special knowledge about the world that sets you apart from your peers. They are happy because they just don't know what you know.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you not aware that many psych drugs that modify brain chemistry fail to work for people? Even when they are tested to have adequate or high levels?

Has anyone ever not responded to fentanyl?

fentanyl doesn't make you happy, heroin does :)

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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post #53

Might be useful to ask a different question: What makes people happy? It's things like relationships, satisfying work, accomplishment. (and many, many more) Then the real question emerges: How many of those happiness 'sources' are made better by intelligence? What percentage? Relationships? Seems like no. Work? Also seems like no, lots of work doesn't make use of a high IQ that people enjoy nonetheless. Accomplishmen…

As I heard someone say, happiness is your reality minus your expectations. Smart people see more variables that could be changed, more components that could be modified, and are less likely to accept things as they are. This creates a false sense of ease by which reality could be modified, and thus higher expectations for the world around them. I suspect this misplaces happiness and contentment, but the two are also…

Joy is whatever is happening right now minus your opinion of it. (personally, I'd revise that by swapping "joy" with "contentment" or "peace")
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