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Linux gamers on Steam cross over the 3% mark

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Re: Linux gamers on Steam cross over the 3% mark

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Post by drnick1 »

apple1417 wrote: post #468
drnick1 wrote: post #442

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I find this hard to believe. Generally speaking, games run slightly slower on Linux (that's on Arch with latest Nvidia drivers). Usually, the difference isn't really noticeable, and several rigorous benchmark show that even though average FPS is single digits lower, the standard deviation is also smaller. This may be due to Nvidia not performing as well on Linux, the worst impact I have seen is on Helldivers 2 (at le…

If you have an older game which still uses dx9, dxvk can give a decent little performance boost - even if you're running on Windows. It's kind of magical that adding a translation layer is able to improve performance. In more modern games using dx11/12, I've always noticed a small loss like you'd expect. I haven't properly benchmarked any but I suspect a game with native Vulkan support would do pretty similarly, and…

> an older game which still uses dx9, dxvk can give a decent little performance boost

Old games already run at insane frame rates on modern hardware, so while it's impressive from a technical standpoint, the performance boost is largely irrelevant. Even with a small loss, Proton is completely worth it -- no more Windows spyware, activation/registration nags, cloud/AI bloatware.

Re: Linux gamers on Steam cross over the 3% mark

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Post by arendtio »

Recently, I had to switch from Windows 11 to macOS at work. While the MacBook's hardware is truly impressive, the desktop experience is so poor that I wonder how you are supposed to use it.

At least it reminded me of why I like my KDE Plasma desktop so much. And then I wonder why people are talking about the year of the Linux desktop, because in my experience, Linux already offers the best desktop experience.

Re: Linux gamers on Steam cross over the 3% mark

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Post by int_19h »

hamdingers wrote: post #510
int_19h wrote: post #505

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The alternate explanation is that it's rather pointless to integrate it because all new Macs are ARM, and there are basically zero Windows games compiled for ARM.

Not likely considering Valve are working on an ARM version of proton in the open, have published test results for x86-64 windows games playing on proton-arm64ec-4, and there are credible leaks that the Steam Frame uses an ARM cpu. If anything Valve is moving towards ARM and taking the library along with it.

Then it will probably happen after they get it polished on Windows.

Re: Linux gamers on Steam cross over the 3% mark

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Post by Novosell »

p1necone wrote: post #521
Novosell wrote: post #264

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Games these days, just as before, are fantastic. Outer Wilds, Disco Elysium, Expedition 33, Baldur's Gate 3, Elden Ring(Nightreign), etc. And I've not even listed quite a few of my favorites cause they're not popular enough for most people to have heard of them. Weird to say you don't game these days but also make blanket statements about games these days :p

Please tell me your more obscure favourites :)

Hmmmm, sure. I'm not sure if I'd label them "obscure", they've all got a couple 1000 reviews on Steam. But they're certainly not mainstream to the level of my previously listed games(, with Disco Elysium not really being mainstream either tbh, but people know of it to some degree).

In no particular order and in no way an exhaustive list:

Lies of P.

Baba Is You.

Ender Lilies/Magnolia.

Rain World.

Pillars of Eternity 1/2.

Return of the Obra Dinn.

What Remains of Edith Finch.

the "We Were Here" series.

1000xResist (played this one just a month ago, what a game).

Katana Zero.

Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night.

Sayonara Wild hearts.

Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark.

AER Memories of Old.

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Post by Novosell »

tommica wrote: post #422
Novosell wrote: post #264

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Games these days, just as before, are fantastic. Outer Wilds, Disco Elysium, Expedition 33, Baldur's Gate 3, Elden Ring(Nightreign), etc. And I've not even listed quite a few of my favorites cause they're not popular enough for most people to have heard of them. Weird to say you don't game these days but also make blanket statements about games these days :p

> And I've not even listed quite a few of my favorites cause they're not popular enough for most people to have heard of them. And you choose then to NOT give those games you love more exposure and share them with the rest of the world?! I'll start: windows version of Uplink game works great in proton, and if you install uplinkos mod on it, it's a super fun Hollywood-style hacking game: https://www.moddb.com/mods/upl…

Heh, sorry. Someone else asked for a list so I made a short one, figured I'll send it here as well :) They range in obscurity, but I'd not rate any of them as "mainstream".

In no particular order and in no way an exhaustive list:

Lies of P.

Baba Is You.

Ender Lilies/Magnolia.

Rain World.

Pillars of Eternity 1/2.

Return of the Obra Dinn.

What Remains of Edith Finch.

the "We Were Here" series.

1000xResist (played this one just a month ago, what a game).

Katana Zero.

Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night.

Sayonara Wild hearts.

Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark.

AER Memories of Old.

Re: Linux gamers on Steam cross over the 3% mark

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Post by Novosell »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #296
Novosell wrote: post #264

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Games these days, just as before, are fantastic. Outer Wilds, Disco Elysium, Expedition 33, Baldur's Gate 3, Elden Ring(Nightreign), etc. And I've not even listed quite a few of my favorites cause they're not popular enough for most people to have heard of them. Weird to say you don't game these days but also make blanket statements about games these days :p

Outer Wilds… man, what an experience.

If I could choose a single game to experience again, it would be Outer Wilds. I played it with my partner, streaming it over Discord, and it was a truly amazing ride, start to finish. Loved the DLC as well.

Hearing the theme still gets me emotional and very sentimental.

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Post by coppsilgold »

ThatPlayer wrote: post #437
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> I suspect the answer to cheating will ultimately be big brother and hiding information from the client. The speed of light makes this _marginally_ problematic to do. It is possible that a unit might move out of the fog of war, or out of cover, during the latency to the client (or between server ticks). You'd effectively have pop-in during some scenarios - but it would be minor and the net benefit would probably mak…

Riot has a pretty good article about why it is hard: https://technology.riotgames.com/news/demolishing-wallhacks-... . Anything more than simple geometry makes server side calculations costly, especially when you're targeting 128 tick/s. Their settled solution is still not perfect, hence still the need for client-side anti-cheat. The final video clip is definitely done to look effective than it actually is. Those pos…

Looks like they put in some effort. You will get better results by having this type of anticheat baked into the engine from the very beginning and requiring a GPU on the server.

What I had in mind is having a primitive physics simulation with point clouds (+ velocity smearing) for entities and geometries for surfaces. You will be able to to do many more checks this way.

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Post by anonymars »

protoster wrote: post #501
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My favorite has to be the Windows 8 era UI disaster. How do most people log into a server? With a high-res physical touchscreen, or remote desktop? So let's make a whole bunch of functionality impossible to access, because you have to bump up against a non-existent edge of a windowed remote screen, and literally make the UI not fit into common server screen resolutions at the time. I don't remember if 1024x768 was th…

Windows struck the iceberg back in 8. It took until 11 for people to finally start to abandon ship in numbers.

I wonder if it was losing Jim Allchin that did it. He retired after Vista and I'd say he was in charge of Windows during its golden age. 7 was basically Vista SP3, and then things took a different direction.

But, to every coin there are two sides:

"I consider this cross-platform idea a disease within Microsoft. We are determined to put a gun to our head and pull the trigger."

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Post by MiddleEndian »

int_19h wrote: post #492
MiddleEndian wrote: post #479

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I tried Thunderbird first, but unfortunately it was kinda heavy and was fairly unreliable, which kinda tracks with my experience before (at least on Windows). Mailspring works fine and is also open source. Couldn't find a decent minimalist calendar program that integrated well with Windows. People say they like OneCalendar but I refuse to use the Windows Store, I even got WSL set up without it lol

Try Vivaldi. It's a "kitchen sink" browser in the same vein as Opera used to be back in its days of glory, so it comes with an email and calendar client that can be optionally turned off: https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-mail-calendar-feed-reader-a... But you can also just use it as an email client and ignore the browser part.

Vivaldi's email client is kinda clunky as well and has no way to show just my "inbox" (mail without any labels) from Google as far as I can tell, just one big unread chunk. And the calendar seems to just be a column on the left of the browser.

Either way, MailSpring works fine for email, and I've recently discovered Fantastical for a straightforward calendar program.

But it's absurd that I have to do this at all. At a minimum, if I buy a laptop, Microsoft should not be able to actively break it without refunding me 100% of the purchase price.

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Post by p1necone »

Novosell wrote: post #534
p1necone wrote: post #521

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Please tell me your more obscure favourites :)

Hmmmm, sure. I'm not sure if I'd label them "obscure", they've all got a couple 1000 reviews on Steam. But they're certainly not mainstream to the level of my previously listed games(, with Disco Elysium not really being mainstream either tbh, but people know of it to some degree). In no particular order and in no way an exhaustive list: Lies of P. Baba Is You. Ender Lilies/Magnolia. Rain World. Pillars of Eternity 1…

If you liked Obra Dinn you should try out 'The Roottrees are Dead'. Very similar 'fill in the gaps via investigation' core gameplay loop, but I found it more engaging/less repetitive.
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