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Why can’t sign language be written? Why does it need to be on video?

There isn't a standard written form of any major sign languages

Yes, but there’s no fundamental reason why there couldn’t be one. It’s not a good reason to accept all the downsides of AI.

Re: Sora 2

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They're really playing loose with copyright: you have to actively opt out for them to not use your IP in the generated videos [1] Tangentially related: it's wild to me that people heading such consequential projects have so little life experience. It's all exuberance and shiny things, zero consideration of the impacts and consequences. First Meta with "Vibes", now this. 1: https://www.gurufocus.com/news/3124829/opena…

Do you have a better source for that? The footer to that article explicitly states the article is bot-generated.

Looks like WSJ broke the news:

“OpenAI’s New Sora Video Generator to Require Copyright Holders to Opt Out”

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/openais-new-sora-video-generator...

And Reuters covered their coverage minus the paywall:

https://www.reuters.com/technology/openais-new-sora-video-ge...

Re: Sora 2

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I posit this is the real story. OpenAI did not stealthily release Sora 2 to the image and video ELO ranking leaderboards ahead of time as is now somewhat tradition. This model is probably designed to run fast and cheap as a social play. Emphasis on putting you and your friends into popular franchises and IPs. OpenAI probably has a totally different model for their Hollywood-grade VFX. One that's too expensive to offe…

People in this thread saying that this is the kind of content kids like should go on tiktok for a sec. This is not at all what young people watch, it's just bad content, and misunderstanding that feels out of touch.

It's wax fruit.

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It's not an exaggeration to me? I literally stopped the video and went back to the start and re-read. You're more than welcome to speak about your opinions and experiences, but I'm speaking about mine. I'm over here thinking, "It felt like just yesterday I was laughing at trippy, incoherent videos of Will Smith eating spaghetti." I love the progress we're making. I love the competition between big companies trying to…

You obviously have never actually tried to make anything in AI video. It is a parlor trick.Maybe this is a big advance but the current state of AI video is a joke. It is only impressive if you don't actually make anything. It is impressive in a marketing release that is quickly forgot about. Will Smith eating spaghetti is the dumbest most uncreative thing. You are impressed by it because it is a meme. It is stupid.

I didn't claim to have made anything with AI video. I'm just commenting on how rapidly things appear to be improving from an external viewpoint. We used to give AI crap for failing to generate an appropriate number of fingers on still imagery. Now we're watching multiple minutes of video to find handfuls of discontinuities. The goalposts have shifted pretty far in an exceptionally short amount of time.

I have no idea why you're so intent on coming across bitter about a fledgling technology. A few years ago this demo video would've been indistinguishable from magic. It will continue to improve.

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Power creates more power, money creates more money. Communism is tossing the frog into boiling water (tens millions of dead), capitalism is boiling it slowly (poor people in first world countries might not afford a dentist but they're not starving yet). We need a system that rewards work - human time and competence. There are really only 2 resources in the world - natural resources and human time. Everything else is…

56 minutes, 4 downvotes, HN is truly full of temporarily embarrassed millionaires. Does anybody here really think rich people deserve to just get richer faster than any working person can? Does anybody really believe that buying up homes and companies and raking in money for doing absolutely nothing is what we should be rewarding? Then put your name behind it.

Homes are depreciating assets. You can't get rich by "buying up homes and doing nothing" because you'd lose money. Nobody is doing this, although a bunch of confused people on social media believe BlackRock is doing it for some reason.

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If this is anything near the demo they have been released, this seems incredibly good at physics. Wow. Can't wait to try the new app.

Sora 1 was also lauded as being incredibly good at physics based on the early cherry-picked examples. The phrase "world simulator" was thrown around a lot. That didn't last long once people finally got their hands on it though.

It was so much more hyped than that. They made it sound like Hollywood was in big trouble. It is going to have the same problems as Midjourney. You just don't have that much control of the scene. The process is to make thousands of random variations and cherry pick the good stuff because you can't do anything else.

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Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

Isn't it kind of fundamentally better. A huge problem with tiktok is doing stupid things on video. On a site where the premise is fake video. Making stupid videos is a very different societal cost.

You're right that the societal cost is very different. I hadn't thought about people doing the stupid things on video, I think personally I focus on the effects of the consumption moreso.

Personally I think the problem with TikTok is largely based in hyperoptimized content specialized to your interest shaping your worldview and isolating your perspective of the world from others, as well as probably being pretty bad for the ability to maintain attention and engage with long form narratives and ideas. I don't really think TikTok is unique here, other than that it's the best in the game at doing it and keeping people's attention.

But overall I suppose I just see something like this as potentially worse in those regards, but maybe I'm overly pessimistic.

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So the job of a businessman is not to increase shareholder value?

Nope. A CEO can't essentially steal from shareholders, but otherwise they have extremely broad latitude in how they engage in business. There is no legal or moral imperative to make antisocial, unethical, or short term decisions that "maximize shareholder value." This is something that morally weak people tell themselves (and others) to justify the depravity they're willing to sink to in order to satiate their greed.…

If I run an AI business, then people using more AI means more business. If noone uses my AI then I go out of business

Increasing shareholder value can be done in the broadest sense by just increasing business

If I fund my own business, I can control growth and _choose_ ethics over profits, in the hope that stunting growth is acceptable if my customers value ethics too, and that whomever I someday pass my company to shares these values

If I take capital investment, I now have a contractual agreement to provide returns on that investment. Yes failure to adhere can result in lawsuits or legal penalties. Or I can be fired/voted out for failing to bring high enough returns. I now _cannot_ choose ethics over profits, due to the conflict of interest of self-preservation

So you are correct - there is no legal or moral contract to behave unethically, but there is instead a strong systemic and self-preserving incentive to do so

I think we almost agree here, but you make it sound as if the exec can simply stand up and do the right thing here. I argue the exec will simply be pushed aside for another

This is what people refer to when they talk about the binds that hold modern day mega-corps

If you yourself are an exec, I personally think you can understand these truths and work with them as best you can, and still be a good human being of course, but that there are lines that should not be crossed to keep a job

It is a collective issue we need to solve that of course starts with each individual seeing the true situation with kindness and compassion

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At least now we know that AGI is definitely not happening.

Can you explain a bit more? I'm intrigued by your comment, but not seeing the connection

I’m just sceptical that OpenAI would be making “TikTok for AI” if they really believed that we are on the verge of creating Artificial General Intelligence.

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#540

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Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

Honestly if I learned anything over the past few decades it’s that I’m typically wrong about these kind of predictions, and society as a whole uses social media in a way that I just don’t comprehend. I would have never guessed a social media app whose biggest feature is “it disappears within 24h!” (even though you can easily screenshot everything) would become as big as it became. Also, remember that it’s not about b…

Certainly, and that is the more pessimistic view that I have, that this is being developed with a view to introduce product sponsorships and advertisements.

I mainly am curious if anyone has the view that there is broader benefit to the development of this, after all, wasn't that the entire mission statement of OpenAI?

Quoting from their announcement on their site:

> OpenAI is a non-profit artificial intelligence research company. Our goal is to advance digital intelligence in the way that is most likely to benefit humanity as a whole, unconstrained by a need to generate financial return.

This feels like something constrained by the need to generate a financial return, and not something primarily focused on understanding physics and world models, to be blunt.

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