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Re: Claude Sonnet 4.5

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Post by int_19h »

catigula wrote: post #150
scrollaway wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are making assumptions about someone you have never talked to in the past, and don't know anything about. Of the two of you, I know which one I'd bet on being "right". (Hint: It's the one talking about their own experience, not the one supplanting theirs onto someone else)

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> Literally everyone in development is using AI.

That's just... not true? There are many, many people who sincerely believe (sometimes from real experience, sometimes because they want it to be true) that AI absolutely cannot do whatever they are trying to do, and so they don't use it.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.5

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Post by alex77456 »

manofmanysmiles wrote: post #521

I haven't shouted into the void for a while. Today is as good a day as any other to do so. I feel extremely disempowered that these coding sessions are effectively black box, and non-reproducible. It feels like I am coding with nothing but hopes and dreams, and the connection between my will and the patterns of energy is so tenuous I almost don't feel like touching a computer again. A lack of determinism comes from m…

I share the sentiment. I would add that people I would like to see use LLMs for coding (and other technical purposes) tend to be jaded like you, and people I personally wouldn't want to see use LLMs for that, tend to be pretty enthusiastic

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.5

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Post by dhhugley »

simonw wrote: post #509
lxgr wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fully expect a model to output a SVG made up of 1000x1000 rectangles (i.e. pixels) representing a raster image of a beautifully hand-drawn pelican riding a bicycle any day now :)

I got an amazing result from ChatGPT a while back - an SVG with a perfect illustration of a pelican riding a bicycle. It was suspiciously good in fact... so I downloaded the SVG file and found out it had generated a raster image with its image tool and then embedded it as base64 binary image data inside an SVG wrapper!

You’ll just have to move the goalpost then; perhaps it can be a multidimensional pelican saving the multiverse, or an invisible pelican that only you can see and critique.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.5

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Post by int_19h »

epolanski wrote: post #446
Workaccount2 wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real question is what kind of pay that work will demand. It's will be great to still be employed as a senior dev. It will be a little less great with a $110k salary, 5 day commute, and mediocre benefits being the norm.

The market was heading for saturation anyway with more and more people getting into it not for interest but job prospects.

That was already a common thing 30 years ago.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.5

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Post by btbuildem »

epolanski wrote: post #416
Aflynn50 wrote: post #374

When I see how much the latest models are capable of it makes me feel depressed. As well as potentially ruining my career in the next few years, its turning all the minutiae and specifics of writing clean code, that I've worked hard to learn over the past years, into irrelivent details. All the specifics I thought were so important are just implementation details of the prompt. Maybe I've got a fairly backwards view…

That minutiae was always borderline irrelevant, the skill was always making somebody money, possibly with software. The reality is that more software will be pushed than before, and more of it will need to be overseen by a professional.

> minutiae was always borderline irrelevant, the skill was always making somebody money

That's extremely reductive, and a prime example of why everything is enshittified today.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.5

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Post by int_19h »

jaggederest wrote: post #477
FridgeSeal wrote: post #441

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“Do t worry about the fit and finish in your craftsmanship anymore, just bolt everything together and move on to other woodworking” Is how that argument comes across.

And contrariwise, the argument against tools like these sounds like: "I never use power tools or CNC, I only use hand tools. Even if they would save me an incredible amount of time and let me work on other things, I prefer to do it the slow and painstaking way, even if the results are ultimately almost identical." Sure, you can absolutely true up stock using a jointer plane, but using a power jointer and planer will…

Realistically, though, even if AI doesn't only make slop, the amount of effort it takes to ensure that it's not slop is even harder to justify than maintaining a "clean" codebase manually used to be. More and more you'll see that "rough draft pass" ending up as shipped product.

Why? Well, it happened that way when manual tradecraft gave way to automated manufacturing in just about every other industry, so why should ours be exempt?

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.5

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Post by hsn915 »

Aflynn50 wrote: post #374

When I see how much the latest models are capable of it makes me feel depressed. As well as potentially ruining my career in the next few years, its turning all the minutiae and specifics of writing clean code, that I've worked hard to learn over the past years, into irrelivent details. All the specifics I thought were so important are just implementation details of the prompt. Maybe I've got a fairly backwards view…

If anything is depressing, it's the amount of people who think these models actually "can code".

Because they can't.

Also, Clean Code is a really bad ideology, you should regret wasting time on it regardless of LLM code generation.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.5

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Post by kenjackson »

simonw wrote: post #452
siva7 wrote: post #380

Does 4.5 still answer everything with "You're absolutely right!" or is it now able to communicate like a real programmer?

It still says "Perfect!" about its own work far too often.

In fairness that sounds like me when I code.

It's either "Perfect!" or "Genius!". Or conversely "I'm a complete idiot!"

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.5

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Post by osn9363739 »

Bjorkbat wrote: post #169

> Practically speaking, we’ve observed it maintaining focus for more than 30 hours on complex, multi-step tasks. Really curious about this since people keep bringing it up on Twitter. They mention it pretty much off-handedly in their press release and doesn't show up at all in their system card. It's only through an article on The Verge that we get more context. Apparently they told it to build a Slack clone and left…

Have the released the code for this? Does it work? or are there x number of caviets and excuses. I'm kinda of sick of them (and others) getting a free pass at saying stuff like this.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.5

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Post by jatins »

I tested this on some day to day pattern matching kind of tasks and it didn't do well. Still the same over eagerness to make wild code changes instead of "reasoning" about the error
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