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Re: This map is not upside down

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Post by smsm42 »

simonh wrote: post #419
smsm42 wrote: post #295

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And that's why it is called "developing" - because some parts are developed but some are massively underdeveloped.

Sure, and I'm not arguing that designation is wrong, just that people have a tendency to package up a lot of assumptions with the developing country status that don't necessarily apply. It's a technical designation that needs to be taken into context. My wife is Chinese and last year we went to my father in law's home village in Hebei and stayed with his brother and his family. They have a really nice bungalow they m…

True, that's why they use aggregate measures like gdp per capita, to get the big picture. And China's one is still quite low. Compared even to Britain (which is not a rich country, below average in Europe), though of course there are a lot of people in China doing better thatn somd in Europe.

Re: This map is not upside down

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Post by whstl »

travisjungroth wrote: post #421
whstl wrote: post #344

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Exactly. Also the "only in the Northern Hemisphere" part goes out the window as soon as Australia is mentioned. It doesn't matter that Canada and USA have strong Native populations, "it's different in the south". In my view the "you're not West" discourse is just another tool to fuck with the souther hemisphere. Fucks you in the head to get this crap from "both sides".

My point is more like Australia is normally considered part of the West, even though it shares longitudes with China and Japan. “The West” and “Western longitudes” really breaks down in the Southern hemisphere. It also breaks down in other ways.

I still don't get the point. I come from a part of South American that is majorly white, and has European culture.

It used to be "West". Now I can't bring it up without getting lectured by people using weird rationalizations, from both sides of the political spectrum.

I'm just fucking tired of the prejudice, that's it.

Re: This map is not upside down

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Post by marcus_holmes »

nomel wrote: post #496
reverius42 wrote: post #333

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A minor correction is quite different from literally flipping the poles.

Depends on your definition of minor. As is, you cannot use magnetic north to navigate, alone, in the east and west of North America. It's 20 degrees off in Oregon, and nearly 40 in northern Alaska. This is something you quickly learn in boy scouts, by getting lost in the woods, if you live on the coast. But, considering it takes 1,000 to 10,000 years to flip, nobody involved in this will be surprised when they look a…

The Wiki article does mention that there are theories it could take way less than that, possible even a single lifetime.

Re: This map is not upside down

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Post by bonoboTP »

vasco wrote: post #336
j4coh wrote: post #329

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I don’t seem to even get this effect, the map looks upside down not mind blowing. If I turn a mug over it’s not a mind blowing new thing, it’s an upside down mug.

Also probably every single kid that ever played with a map has turn it around a million times, this is a very naive 2deep4u kinda post.

Same when people get their minds blown about the sizes of countries at different latitudes. Feels like I'm the only one who played with a globe as a kid...

Re: This map is not upside down

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Post by bonoboTP »

greiskul wrote: post #342
parineum wrote: post #330

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"The West" is Western Europe and it's colonial/cultural derivatives. It hasn't been a directional term for centuries. Everyone intuitively knows this based on the usage but, every now and then, someone like you thinks they are clever and nobody else understands.

A lot of Americans don't consider countries in South America to be part of "The West". Which is wild, cause Americans also love Rome and it's influence in western culture, and Latin America literally speaks languages that are direct descendants of Latin.

In that conception it's Anglos and the historic roots of Anglo thought. Latin America is a different branch, so it's not on the Anglo branch. But the common root (Rome, Western Europe) is on it. Seems straightforward.

Re: This map is not upside down

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Post by bonoboTP »

whstl wrote: post #532
travisjungroth wrote: post #421

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My point is more like Australia is normally considered part of the West, even though it shares longitudes with China and Japan. “The West” and “Western longitudes” really breaks down in the Southern hemisphere. It also breaks down in other ways.

I still don't get the point. I come from a part of South American that is majorly white, and has European culture. It used to be "West". Now I can't bring it up without getting lectured by people using weird rationalizations, from both sides of the political spectrum. I'm just fucking tired of the prejudice, that's it.

Be at least part of NATO or the Commonwealth and you'll have better chances.

Re: This map is not upside down

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Post by whstl »

bonoboTP wrote: post #536
whstl wrote: post #532

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I still don't get the point. I come from a part of South American that is majorly white, and has European culture. It used to be "West". Now I can't bring it up without getting lectured by people using weird rationalizations, from both sides of the political spectrum. I'm just fucking tired of the prejudice, that's it.

Be at least part of NATO or the Commonwealth and you'll have better chances.

Yep, that seems like the answer.

Re: This map is not upside down

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

WA wrote: post #499
onraglanroad wrote: post #423

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From your own first link: "Because opposite poles attract, Earth's south magnetic pole is physically actually a magnetic north pole"

Ok I guess I misread: magnetic south pole != south magnetic pole. Got it.

That wikipedia wording is very confusing, they mean: "Earth’s magnetic pole near the geographic South Pole is actually a magnetic north pole."

Re: This map is not upside down

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Post by Affric »

pyuser583 wrote: post #503
Affric wrote: post #238

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Upper is literally higher up with respect to distance from the Earth’s centre of gravity. When I was 8 or 9 in school we studied Egypt and I had to know and no one could answer. Might have been one of the first things I used Google for.

Isn't Earth's center of gravity at it's core? Isn't all of the Earth's surface "upper" to it's center of gravity?

Altitude, way rivers flow

Re: This map is not upside down

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Post by Affric »

schoen wrote: post #268
Affric wrote: post #233

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Interestingly “meridional” could mean south in some languages because it was towards the equator… which is funny when it’s used south of the equator.

So again, even more literally, it's "of the midday, of the noon", so "toward the noon, noonwards". And in the northern hemisphere, the noon happens in the direction of the equator, so southward.

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