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Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by lelanthran »

cmsj wrote: post #458
lelanthran wrote: post #442

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Thank goodness you took the time to let us all know this....

> Thank goodness you took the time to let us all know this....

Be honest; how many times have we seen this? company, org or person flat out rejects an open source solution (which, most importantly, would actually work for them!), gets charity from the proprietary supplier and then complains when that charity comes to an end?

How many more times must we see it?

When working FOSS applications are rejected in favour of a proprietary product, well, there should be some pain for that decision.

If, as a technical decision maker (manager, founder, whatever), you make an unusually poor decision, you should get blowback for it.

For a long time there was literally no need for any decision maker to go with a proprietary chat solution. Anyone deciding to go with Slack, from this point onwards at any rate, deserve all the scorn they get.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by _1tem »

If there's one good thing to say about Microsoft (not about Teams), it's that they strive to keep good business relationships with their clients, including backwards compatibility. I don't think I've ever heard of a story like this about Microsoft.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by chii »

zeroq wrote: post #463
p_l wrote: post #411

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Isn't changing the terms of a deal without even sending you a new contract pretty much illegal anywhere sane? Even between business entities?

In EU a vendor can amend a contract but it gives the client the opportunity to breach that contract without consequences. On a smaller scale it happens on a monthly basis with telecomms - almost never with rates, but they amend privacy policy and stuff - as a customer a change in the contract gives you an opportunity to say you're not accepting new contract, within certain timeframe, and walk away. I guess this is si…

> but they are free to walk away and pay nothing.

not so for a service which holds your data hostage (unless 'walking away' means you're also able to walk away with your data).

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by ayoreis »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #445
enriquto wrote: post #289

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> a nonprofit teaching coding to kids that's a perfect teaching occasion, then! Kids: don't use proprietary services just because they are trendy. Prefer always open standards!

I am a teenager and I approve this statement! Although I am not in the nonprofit tbh but maybe one day I would love to apply :> They sound cool. Sad that bad things happen to the good people. Slack really is slacking if they are literally asking 195k$ to a literal non profit whose helping kids/teens.

It's really easy to join! There are lots of cool programs currently running. Maybe wait until next week so the migration is done, but do check our website: https://hackclub.com (we have/had 100k people in the Slack)

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by bombcar »

Aeolun wrote: post #525
actionfromafar wrote: post #401

Thousands of teen coders now hate Salesforce in advance . This is very shortsighted.

Are there any coders that like salesforce in the first place? This is firmly one of those ‘foisted on you by management’ kind of products right?

If you look at Salesforce as "Access as a SaaS" it's not so bad.

But if you're coming at it from a LAMP stack or otherwise having direct access to a real SQL database designed by intelligent people, it's pretty meh.

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Post by felipelemos »

safety1st wrote: post #433
actionfromafar wrote: post #401

Thousands of teen coders now hate Salesforce in advance . This is very shortsighted.

You would think that making your users hate you is shortsighted, yes. But does it really matter? I urge every user of Hacker News to read Peter Thiel's book, Zero to One. It's the definitive statement on software capitalism. The goal, which Thiel embraces unabashedly, is to use technology to create new and unique monopolies, and once you've created them, extract as much rent as possible from the users. Obviously the…

> But does it really matter?

I am pretty sure - if his theories works - it would be really good for accumulating even more capital for the shareholders.

And I am also pretty sure it, at least for me, will not matter at all, and it will be really bad for everyone else involved.

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Post by dijit »

ketzu wrote: post #494
enriquto wrote: post #289

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> a nonprofit teaching coding to kids that's a perfect teaching occasion, then! Kids: don't use proprietary services just because they are trendy. Prefer always open standards!

> don't use proprietary services just because they are trendy. Prefer always open standards! So if you use an open standard, but not self hosted, and your provider tells you "pay 250k or lose all your data in 2 days", I'd say are not necessarily in a better position than they are now. It's not impossible to migrate off of slack, but migrations take time.

Not being funny, but I can migrate from Zulip SaaS to Zulip Self-hosted in about 45 minutes. The limitation is the speed of my internet.

I know this, because I've done it.

Similarly a migration from self-hosted to SaaS gitlab (though, not back).

Perfect is the enemy of good, but man, it can be pretty close to perfect if you choose your vendors properly.

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Post by jeeybee »

I’ve always loved Slack. It’s been core to how we work, and I’ve recommended it to countless others.

But seeing how they just treated Hack Club — sudden 40x price hike, almost no notice, threatening to cut off access and delete 11 years of history — makes me wonder if we should rethink where we build our work.

I don’t want to leave Slack. But I also don’t want to wake up one day with our team’s history held hostage.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by dijit »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #393
Barbing wrote: post #375

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Thanks for doing the math. Imagine being the analyst who was paid to optimize this or (infinitely worse?) the executive who demanded it.

Should be enough for the state to take custody of their kids.

What? No? Why?
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