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We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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I can't really prove this but I'm pretty sure your ability to get a refund on Amazon is based on their scoring of you. If you're fairly large purchaser with infrequent returns they just approve your return no questions asked, but if you return a lot for your volume they put a lot of barriers in place.

At times it makes me wary of protecting my score (which may not even actually exist), and I'll often just take the loss rather than return something.

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

#532

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> Day to day life has been more or less the same across all of them. This is a wild take, unless you mean that in thw sense of wake up, eat, work and sleep kind of way. If I call the prime minister a criminal liar - worst that will happen is I get a defamation lawsuit. In authoritarian countries I go to a prison camp, and the neighbors are the one to report me. Even if I'm not political - if step on toes of people in…

I’ve seen a couple Reddit threads recently where someone says something like “my neighbor has been doing [insert major nuisance here], I think they might not be citizens. I’m not in favor of ICE taking people away, but should I report them since it might solve [nuisance]?” The couple I’ve seen, the people aren’t that direct in their comments. And I’ve seen reports of citizens being arrested for a day or two while the…

They have argued in court against normal or indeed any due process; for stopping people purely based on race, language, and accent; against recognition of birthright citizenship and said that the next job after purging illegals is getting rid of the citizens who don't belong here.

Remember the immigration czar said if he had his way only 100M white folks would remain.

If those who are asserted without proof to be illegal can be sent to die in a foreign prison camp so can you.

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

#533

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housing? security clearance? preemployment checks?

Housing is categorically a financial transaction. Clearances are a far broader investigation, but to the extent that they look at your credit, I believe it is also to establish your financial status, which is most definitely a significant component of the clearance process. Preemployment: I admit to not having started a new job in many years... Is there any evidence whatsoever you can present that companies regularly…

Hey I see you're quibbling on details, maybe because you feel determined to win an argument to save face or something. I must point out that nobody here cares whether you were wrong, and digging in your heels even after multiple people provided multiple examples just drags the conversation to unproductive places.

As I said in the first reply, there is very little behavior you cannot tie money to in some way, so you can go down this path forever of trying to find a reason why credit scores are totally valid proxies for all human behavior, and you would be technically correct while missing the point entirely.

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

#534

The issue is that American media/discourse paints a very distorted view of what life under authoritarian rule is like. The truth is in many countries, unless you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble, day-to-day life is mostly similar to life in the west. But people don’t want to hear that, because we want to feel better than them. Like we wouldn’t tolerate that kind of life. Of course the…

As first generation out of Salazar's dictorship, what I see is current generations completely ignoring what was taught to them during the last decades.

I can surely tell, the memories of my parents and family members that had to live under the regime isn't really that those were better days, unless one was a collaborator.

Try to do some public comment that can be misused to mean some kind of bad opinion on the regime, and off you go, out of the map.

Like how Amnesty International came to be,

https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/amnesty-inte...

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

#535

The issue is that American media/discourse paints a very distorted view of what life under authoritarian rule is like. The truth is in many countries, unless you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble, day-to-day life is mostly similar to life in the west. But people don’t want to hear that, because we want to feel better than them. Like we wouldn’t tolerate that kind of life. Of course the…

Only 1 in 3 are straight white Christians in the US.

Fascism only doesn't have an effect in the early stages in the sense that loading a gun has little effect on those not frightened by it.

Actually using it is going to become impossible to ignore.

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

#536
post #533

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Housing is categorically a financial transaction. Clearances are a far broader investigation, but to the extent that they look at your credit, I believe it is also to establish your financial status, which is most definitely a significant component of the clearance process. Preemployment: I admit to not having started a new job in many years... Is there any evidence whatsoever you can present that companies regularly…

Hey I see you're quibbling on details, maybe because you feel determined to win an argument to save face or something. I must point out that nobody here cares whether you were wrong, and digging in your heels even after multiple people provided multiple examples just drags the conversation to unproductive places. As I said in the first reply, there is very little behavior you cannot tie money to in some way, so you c…

What's your point? If people will extend you credit for things like an apartment (since there is risk you will stop paying) or for a car, it seems sensible to perform credit checks then. What else are scores used for that don't intersect with someone trusting you with their property?

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

#537

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Yeah, this is it. I've lived under governments of a variety of different stripes in some very different parts of the world, I've lived in war zones. Day to day life has been more or less the same across all of them. You go shopping, go to work, see friends, have a few beers or maybe a smoke, eat out, go to weddings, birthdays and funerals, play sports. People run businesses, post memes. The way non-OECD, "non-democra…

> Day to day life has been more or less the same across all of them. This is a wild take, unless you mean that in thw sense of wake up, eat, work and sleep kind of way. If I call the prime minister a criminal liar - worst that will happen is I get a defamation lawsuit. In authoritarian countries I go to a prison camp, and the neighbors are the one to report me. Even if I'm not political - if step on toes of people in…

When U.S. neighbors report you to the police because you tell them to stop harassing you, you're in an HOA knowingly but without knowing it's absolutely turning authoritarian.

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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There isn't an "authoritarian bit", it's not binary. When I was young the idea that your own computer would spy on you, or the one in your phone, or in your car? That was a William Gibson novel, wiretaps happened to mob bosses, you didn't worry about it happening to you as part of a dragnet. Security camera? You mean in a bank right? Microsoft bundling IE was so egregious that the department of justice took time off…

Okay but no scandal can damage a politician because you the American people are currently choosing to let that be the case. Same with the billionaires. The entire problem gets painted as "other" but it's you: you're actually promulgating it by your very choice of language here!

You could explain any authoritarian regime this way, but how much of what we believe and do is some kind of pure, unconditioned-by-our-surroundings choice?

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Using the same word “genocide” for what is happening in Gaza and what is happening in the US seems to make language pretty useless.

To say nothing of using the same word as what happened in the holocaust or to the Armenians or native Americans or Rwanda or is happening in Xinjiang....

This is what I have been saying for years. The far-left progressives have literally raped language beyond all recognition.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Men are women.

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Sure, but its a boiling frog with cancer. Certain states made choices to skew far right and other states mde choices to "keep business open" and others made choices to remain ignorant. This becomes diffusion of responsibility because every cycle maybe 1% were directly embracing far white religious authoritarian. The consistency of those choices were sticky because the oligarchy spent decades ensuring. The point being…

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The left has… vastly less power than the right, especially the christian right, because the right has money.
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