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Can you name one country that didn't obtain their borders violently? Almost every piece of land is occupied.
‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
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They've already attacked Syria and Lebanon multiple times already. There's no doubt that they're already planning for new wars once this one is over.
I wonder why Israel is attacking Lebanon. It's a real mystery.
Israel is attacking Lebanon because Israel is a country led by religious lunatics.
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You think Israel would just collapse if the US stopped supporting them?
Who would support Israel? Who’s aircraft carriers would stand by?
Research Israel’s independence war where Czechoslovakia contributed arms. It wasn’t until Nixon that Israel had American support.
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> Israel has absolutely zero intention of handing over control of Gaza, The charter for Hamas for years called for the total destruction of Israel. That's been recently removed, but their actions haven't changed. Why would any nation allow such a government to be their neighbor? The best that anyone could hope for would be a North / South Korea or CCP/KMT divide, but those only work because both sides share a common…
Israel is trying to destroy Gaza and its people - look at any recent photos. There is some equivalence in the aims, and one group has begun to get close - Israel. It’s time for aggressive outside intervention.
None of the countries with the actual capacity for aggressive outside intervention have any interest in doing so. For better or worse it's just not a priority. People in the Israel / Palestine region will have to find a solution to their own problems, or (more likely) just continue the horrifying and pointless cycle of violence.
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Let's go back one further to 1947 where there was no Israel, and it was all Palestine.
Do you mean the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine, administered by the British between 1920-1948 after the Ottoman Empire collapsed? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine
They mean the name that has been used for the region for much of human history.
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> Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? If you are asking specifically about the Hilltop Youth, I believe most people understand them to be somewhere between extremists and jewish terrorists and do not support their actions. The government (well, Ben-Gvir) can continue to support them (within limits of plausible deniability) as long as they are in po…
people here don't understand and don't care about difference between 700k settlers, 500 hilltop youth idiots and where from they came. trying to explain it, will get you downvoted and flagged. because people find it inconvenient when facts don't correlate with carefully cultivated media picture that they been consuming edit: just in case somebody cares https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articl... h…
ok so 700k peaceful land thieves and 500 violent ones..
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#537In ideal world international peacekeeping forces would be deployed in Gaza. The peace and two state solution could only be enforced by imposing severe sanctions on Israel including possibility of aerial NATO strikes like in the former Yugoslavia.
In an ideal world none of the past 70 years of conflicts that led to this unrecoverable resentfulness would have happened. Unfortunately the only peaceful solution I can imagine is for Israel to let Gazans move to other Arab-world countries, let Israel annexate Gaza, and then imposing strict border controls and watches such that if Israel attempts any ethnic cleansing or illegal occupation they get severly sanctioned…
Why not the reverse? Israel is clearly the aggressor here, not Palestine. The only path to sustainable peace is to do to Israel what the world did to Germany after WW2: a complete destruction of the fascist Tel Aviv regime and the equivalent of the Nuremberg trials for top Israeli officials.
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It's the "Jewish" in Jewish state that lies at the root of the conflict, isn't it? There aren't many options to maintain a dominant ethnic identity in a democracy when the land the nation was founded on was already inhabited by people who don't share in that identity. The only option is to either cede that ethnic identity or to engage in mass displacement and disenfranchisement. It's exceedingly subtle the way ethno-…
Jews were kicked out of all the Arab nations they lived in, were persecuted in Europe, and you think that they shouldn’t get a sovereign country for themselves? Should the Kurds get one? Tibetans? Catalonias? Scottish?
The Scottish have a nation called Scotland. It's not entirely sovereign - yet - but it's clearly heading in that direction, and it has already diverged significantly from England on many fundamental policies.
But even when it does become sovereign, I'm finding it hard to imagine that Scotland would annex Northumberland - which used to be Scotland in the distant past - and rape, murder, and starve the English people living there.
There is no excuse for the kind of barbarisms that Israel is perpetrating in Gaza. Not ethnonationalism, not history, not the holocaust, not October 7.
And from an obvious common sense point of view, living in an embattled fortress territory is an eccentric definition of "safe."
It's an outbreak of collective psychopathy and deserves to be labelled as such. The people in charge are basically insane. Extremist ethnonationalism always is, whatever the nationality or background.
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> > why there is no "just stop fighting" option > I don't recall many people ever seriously asking for that i live in Canada, literally half a world away. Every street light pole seems to have some sort of "Ceasefire now" sticker on it. I also see similar sentiment in online threads on the topic. I think there is a significant group of people who want Israel to commit to an unconditional ceasefire in Gaza. > We know…
People are arguing for an unconditional ceasefire because innocent people and children are literally starving to death. Many of the people arguing for ceasefire probably wouldn’t be so animated about it if that wasn’t the case, i.e. if Israel was conducting a legal war with targeted strikes. That isn’t the case.
Also:
https://youtube.com/shorts/MuPfkxQns1k
I don’t think it’s okay for a bunch of humans to be rallied in the middle of a desert like that. Forget the fact that they are shooting into the crowd, we’ll talk about that later. Let’s just start with not creating a ghetto in the desert and calling it a humanitarian effort.
I have not even seen movie scenes like that, maybe the opening scenes of Saving Private Ryan where the Americans were trying to hide on the beach.