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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by submeta »

Eggpants wrote: post #527
submeta wrote: post #105

I went from Emacs to VS Code, then to Cursor, next to Claude Code, which is so good that I feel like I am having half a dozen junior devs at my fingertips, 24/7. Since Claude Code is cli based, I reviewed my cli toolset: Migrated from iTerm2 to Ghostty and Tmux, from Cursor to NeoVim (my God is it good!). Just had a 14h workday with this tooling. It’s so good that I complete the work of weeks and months within days!…

Try again. No self respecting Emacs user would ever call vim “good”.

Haha :) I lived inside Emacs, used orgmode for everything, have written tons of Elisp, used org-roam as my second brain, used vanilla Emacs shortcuts instead of Evil (with a special keyboard settup using Karabiner Elements), did even my googling from Emacs, used emacs calc instead of my calculator, but in the end I spent more time tinkering my Emacs setup than doing real work. Emacs was a lifestyle. At some point I realized: Unix and the terminal are what Emacs try to be: It tries to be a one-stop shop offering you everything: Surfing the web, writing emails, word processor, calculator, planner, terminal. Unix and the terminal offer me all of that. Plus any scripting language. Why miss all the beautiful apps, just to be an Emacs zealot? The editor in emacs is just one usecase. Neovim does it just as well, if not better.

But relax, noone is taking your Emacs from you :) I still like it, but am not a disciple anymore ;)

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by anton-c »

dalemhurley wrote: post #59

Cursor (and Garry Tan’s X post) has shown us that the VC money is propping up these companies astounding growth, the only way for them to become profitable is to increase the cost per a request, which means they need to innovate like crazy. The moat is paper thin. GitHub has open sourced copilot. The open source community is working hard on their own projects. No doubt Cursor is moving fast to create amazing innovati…

I seriously cannot keep up. I fell a bit behind and now I feel I need a primer to know who owns/acquired/developed all these additional things surrounding the ai space

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by mizzao »

ghuntley wrote: post #38

For the love of God, can we get a reboot of the Silicon Valley television show? Just on AI. Like when they wrapped it, they wrapped it on AI usage. So, it's got the perfect arc for a reboot that focuses perfectly on AI.

The "Son of Anton" was an coding agent that deleted the entire codebase. Not so far off from Cursor's YOLO mode, is it?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44262383

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by insane_dreamer »

tlogan wrote: post #176
quantified wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you want to make a big impact for a big payday, why would this surprise you? Gentle reminder that more startups die by suicide than homicide, and that an early-stage startup is a total crapshoot.

Yes, startups are always a bit of a gamble, but this feels like a captain abandoning ship while it’s still full of sailors (many of whom have families depending on them). This really is a whole new level of getting screwed.

rule 1: never believe a word a founder says

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by insane_dreamer »

sschueller wrote: post #460
manquer wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone has a niche, Windsurf is the only large provider if you are a Jetbrains shop. There are some alternatives like continue.dev or Jetbrains own AI offering but no Cursor or Claude Code ( Sonnet 3.7/4) you can get through Jetbrains plugin or others, but Anthropic does not provide support same with cursor.

Jetbrain's Junie works incredibly well. I much prefer it over cursor's or continue's UI.

What does it offer that's better than running CC with Pycharm/Jetbrains?

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by 7thpower »

adamoshadjivas wrote: post #76
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

Agreed on everything. Just to add, not only anthropic is offering CC at like a 500% loss, they restricted sonnet/opus 4 access to windsurf, and jacked up their enterprise deal to Cursor. The increase in price was so big that it forced cursor to make that disastrous downgrade to their plans. I think only way Cursor and other UX wrappers still win is if on device models or at least open source models catch up in the ne…

Where is a citation on Anthropic increasing cost to cursor? I had not seen that news, but it would make sense.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by Henchman21 »

metadat wrote: post #507
tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder how the founders justify going along with it $2.4 billion.

This reads like a Dr. Evil plot.

Everything since ~2016 reads like a Dr. Evil plot! I swear it feels like the world is getting dumber around me.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by mountainriver »

extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

I too am an engineer that thinks CLI's are cool, but if you believe it's even remotely as useful as an IDE then give me a break.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by cardanome »

conradkay wrote: post #125
extr wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cursor's tab completion model is legitimately fantastic and for many people is worth the entire $20 subscription. Lint fixes or syntax-level refactors are guessed and executed instantly with TAB with close to 100% accuracy. This is their final moat IMO, if Copilot manages to bring their tab completion up to near parity, very little reason to use Cursor.

https://forum.cursor.com/t/i-made-59-699-lines-of-agent-edit... > It's quite interesting how little the Cursor power users use tab. Majority of the posts are some insane number of agent edits and close to (or exactly) 0 tabs.

I use cursor strictly for agent edits and do anything else in a proper IDE meaning in a Jetbrains product that I run in a separate window.

Many of my co-workers do the same. VC Code is vastly inferior when it comes to editing and actual IDE feature so it is a non-starter when you do programming yourself.

I once tried AI tab-complete on Zed and it was all right but breaks my flow. Either the AI does the editing or I do it but mixing both annoys me.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by mountainriver »

submeta wrote: post #105

I went from Emacs to VS Code, then to Cursor, next to Claude Code, which is so good that I feel like I am having half a dozen junior devs at my fingertips, 24/7. Since Claude Code is cli based, I reviewed my cli toolset: Migrated from iTerm2 to Ghostty and Tmux, from Cursor to NeoVim (my God is it good!). Just had a 14h workday with this tooling. It’s so good that I complete the work of weeks and months within days!…

When generating code that is often wrong and needing to review it, and IDE is demonstrably better, this isn't an argument
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