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Post by raydev »

leptons wrote: post #450
iambateman wrote: post #183

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I think Jobs makes the same mistake with U2 even if he is at the helm. But I think he would’ve been more effective at handling the fall out. Apple had enjoyed having world-leading crisis communications embodied within Steve and didn’t immediately know what to do when he was gone.

>But I think he would’ve been more effective at handling the fall out. "You're holding it wrong" was about the worst case of "handling the fall out" that I can remember in computing history. Jobs was an absolute laughing stock after he said that.

Yeah, I don't think Jobs was well-equipped for the imminent era of Apple's complete dominance. You could tell he was confused by antennagate, bothered by media coverage, and wished everyone would shut up about it. He's the Underdog CEO, not Monopoly CEO.

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Post by strictnein »

FredPret wrote: post #398
komali2 wrote: post #274

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Google too. I wish the fact that every company enshittifies in the end would wake us all up to the fact that rampant unregulated capitalism just doesn't work before it's too late to make any changes at all.

It's rampant unregulated capitalism that feeds the whole lifecycle: - company started in garage - makes first sales - gets popular - gets investors - becomes huge , changing the world of computing - enshittifies - gets replaced by the next company that was started in a garage somewhere A good system is not one that preserves Apple or IBM or Xerox. A good system is one that allows these companies to come and go, becau…

> "unregulated captialism"

Half the news stories about Apple, Google, etc are them being fined or being forced to change their business practices due to regulations. These companies employ hundreds if not thousands of people to make sure they are following thousands and thousands of regulations.

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Post by strictnein »

_benton wrote: post #279
komali2 wrote: post #274

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Google too. I wish the fact that every company enshittifies in the end would wake us all up to the fact that rampant unregulated capitalism just doesn't work before it's too late to make any changes at all.

Apple wouldn't exist without "rampant unregulated capitalism".

Apple hasn't existed in a time with "rampant unregulated capitalism", whatever that term is supposed to mean. You can argue there weren't enough regulations, but there were massive volumes of business rules regulations in 1976.

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Post by kevincox »

lukeschlather wrote: post #391

I feel like we need a CAN SPAM act that includes Smartphone notifications. And gatekeepers like Apple should probably simply be banned from placing any advertisements in push notifications. The updates Microsoft has been making to add stuff the Windows lockscreen and start menu also seem like they should be at the least legally questionable. And of course Google practically invented these things.

We just need to expand it to all forms of communication. Smartphone notifications, web notifications, phone calls, carrier pigeons, town criers and messages in a bottle. Doesn't matter what the medium is. If it is unsolicited commercial communication it shouldn't be allowed.

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Post by jtokoph »

burnte wrote: post #501

Apple also pushed a notification through the AppleTV app. I thought I had all notifications turned off (I turn off notifications from most apps on all devices, just because you think I need to see your messages doesn't mean I think that and most apps do not need notifications). Quite irritating. That was the point where I decided I would not see F1 in theaters, and if I ever do it'll be free streaming.

You may never see it because Apple holds all of the streaming rights.

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Post by ghushn3 »

CitrusFruits wrote: post #503
devnullbrain wrote: post #454

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I can do better than that. Uninstall it. It's a 600 MB app and you can log back in using only the iOS password manager. Reinstall it when you need to use it.

I think the 600MB part actually makes it harder to only install again when you need it.

It's interesting that 600MB can be perceived as both trivial (e.g. on a fiber connection this is a matter of seconds) and excruciating (e.g. on a rural satellite line this could be 15-20+ minutes).

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Post by ghushn3 »

brookst wrote: post #521
kulahan wrote: post #510

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Wouldn’t the guidelines apply to anyone using it who doesn’t have specific, legal, written exemptions? Not to say they don’t have it, but simply hand-waving “well they wrote it so it doesn’t have to apply to them” doesn’t seem quite as simple to me. I could be wrong!

No. Apple does not sign up for an Apple Developer account. Contracts with oneself aren't even meaningful. This is a common tech enthusiast fallacy: thinking that law is code. So there must be some "if app published, there must be a developer account, and if the developer account violates the rule the app must be removed". It just doesn't work that way. Apple has contracts with third parties to allow them to distribut…

The law definitely is not code, but the law could require Apple to follow the same requirements they set for others. Then the government could sue Apple (or otherwise enforce this behavior.)

It's not the worst idea I've heard, tbh.

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Post by _benton »

strictnein wrote: post #533
_benton wrote: post #279

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Apple wouldn't exist without "rampant unregulated capitalism".

Apple hasn't existed in a time with "rampant unregulated capitalism", whatever that term is supposed to mean. You can argue there weren't enough regulations, but there were massive volumes of business rules regulations in 1976.

That's why I put it in quotation marks. Capitalism is heavily regulated in every western nation, perhaps every nation.

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Post by ghushn3 »

op00to wrote: post #249
nixpulvis wrote: post #242

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While sales may not be plummeting. Hype around the market sure has. Nobody is really that excited about the next iPhone anymore.

This is the first time in a long time I’m not interested in replacing my phone after a year.

That's probably pretty healthy -- phones these days should comfortably last you several years. I consider folks who buy a new phone every year these days to be engaging in pretty conspicuous consumption.

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Post by x3n0ph3n3 »

jonplackett wrote: post #507
t8sr wrote: post #248

I have never said and rarely thought this before, but I really hope the person who came up with / approved this idea got fired for it. It’s rare that you see something so unbelievably stupid and destructive of the shared pool of trust, which Apple spent 30 years building, only for one self-interested PM to blow a chunk of it up for no gain. If the person who came up with this reads this site, I hope they see this com…

It shows they must be REALLY worried about this movie. All the reviews I’ve read say it sucks. I’m an f1 fan and from what I’ve read it sounds all pretty dumb and fake.

It was fun in IMAX. It's not cinema
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