Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students • Hacker News Board

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

#531

Post by GoatInGrey » Thu, May 22, 2025, 11:00 PM UTC

JCattheATM wrote: post #481

zdragnar wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allowing students to (allegedly) be harassed on the basis of their race is what is under contention, not the broader notion of academic freedom.

That's the excuse being used, sure.

Harvard really tarnished it's reputation when the president, under oath, said that calls for the genocide of Jews would comply with their code of conduct "depending on the context". The president did end up resigning a year ago, though they have a lot of work to do to come back from that.

While what the Trump admin is doing is wrong, Harvard has given them ample cover for their actions. It would be intellectually lazy to assert, even implicitly, that Harvard has no responsibility over the current state of affairs.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

#532

Post by HamsterDan » Thu, May 22, 2025, 11:00 PM UTC

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #425

ivape wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can they really do this? You're telling me this is real and not one of those "just for show" things that have no real teeth and will eventually get overturned by a judge?

Absolutely they have explicit powers to do this. Harvard is refusing to comply with the requirements of the visa program that allows them to bring student into the country so the administration is removing Harvard from the program. There is little to no chance of this getting overturned.

There is a 99% chance of this getting overturned.

Harvard will sue, lose in court, and then give DHS everything they want at which point they'll get their visas back.

They just want to pretend to be the victim for a while so that their overwhelmingly far-left faculty don't leave.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

#533

Post by suzzer99 » Thu, May 22, 2025, 11:00 PM UTC

algorias wrote: post #334

jmclnx wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No :) The 3 issues are 1. Racism 2. Racism 3. Racism

[flagged]

You're right, xenophobia and transphobia is more accurate than racism. See every Trump campaign commercial in the last few months of the race.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

#534

Post by nova22033 » Thu, May 22, 2025, 11:01 PM UTC

neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

Bill Ackman is mad at Harvard for allowing the Palestine protests. He switched his support to Trump for that one reason. This is the payoff.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

#535

Post by rchaud » Thu, May 22, 2025, 11:01 PM UTC

cmurf wrote: post #213

scoofy wrote: post #8

If you are a Republican and didn’t sign up for this, can you please write your representatives about impeachment? This is getting ridiculous. We’d be much better off with a president Vance.

People need to write their representatives. Volume of responses is what Congresscritters respond to. Party doesn't matter. Ds need to inform their R Congresscritters every bit as much as any other combination. For what it's worth, Republican constituents overwhelmingly voted for Trump in the R primary. Any number of candidates would have provided boilerplate Republican policies, but that wasn't what they wanted. What…

> People need to write their representatives. Volume of responses is what Congresscritters respond to

Maybe in reruns of The West Wing. America is a long way past that now.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

#536

Post by hdhxgsc » Thu, May 22, 2025, 11:01 PM UTC

cosmicgadget wrote: post #362

ithkuil wrote: post #242

The us government, using the appropriate mechanism like passing laws etc, can change the policies like they see fit. However I don't understand how it's possible to single out a specific university. Are there precedents for this kind of behaviour?

It's called a bill of attainder and it's prohibited by the Constitution. Courts have said this also applies to executive orders though it's not as crystal clear. He's already done this to the Associated Press for ignoring his stupid Gulf of Mexico rename as well as to several law firms for representing democrats.

Bill of attainder is a legislative action. Doesn’t apply to the executive branch.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

#537

Post by epolanski » Thu, May 22, 2025, 11:03 PM UTC

lurk2 wrote: post #456

JCattheATM wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It boggles my mind that anyone with, apparently and allegedly, such a high tier education, would be against the actions Harvard has been taking this year. They are literally just fighting for basic academic freedoms.

[flagged]

Assembly and speech.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

#538

Post by AgentME » Thu, May 22, 2025, 11:04 PM UTC

jleyank wrote: post #108

What will the HN crowd do when Y Combinator's banned from foreign participants?

write blogposts about how the real threat has always been wokeness

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

#539

Post by epolanski » Thu, May 22, 2025, 11:04 PM UTC

JCattheATM wrote: post #422

xhkkffbf wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend is a big Harvard alum. He says that most of his classmates are very unhappy with the direction of the university. So in his circle the alumni may be cheering this on. Maybe not the extremism but the general idea of telling Harvard that it needs to get back to truth-seeking.

It boggles my mind that anyone with, apparently and allegedly, such a high tier education, would be against the actions Harvard has been taking this year. They are literally just fighting for basic academic freedoms.

People go to Harvard because they want a prestigious career, not because they have an insatiable palate for knowledge that somehow in 2025 they can't satisfy in any other way.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

#540

Post by LadyCailin » Thu, May 22, 2025, 11:05 PM UTC

ReptileMan wrote: post #281

jmclnx wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No :) The 3 issues are 1. Racism 2. Racism 3. Racism

https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/the-decline-of-the-democrat... If you are right - then it seems that racism is quite broadly popular among all ethnic groups in USA because Trump made inroads with everyone.

Yeah, cause he lied to them, and they believed it. Now that his actions are speaking and not his bloviating, his support is eroding. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5271036-trump-ap...