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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by watwut »

sneak wrote: post #205
linguae wrote: post #125

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The behavior I’ve seen from so many libertarians from 2017 onward, especially during the pandemic, January 6th, and Trump’s reelection, has revealed so much to me and has made me rethink my libertarianism. So many libertarians, when pressed, would gladly align themselves with the far-right for their own benefit, whether to accelerate the destruction of the state they hate so much, or whether because, deep down inside…

Perhaps it‘s the “no true Scotsman” fallacy, but I find it hard to consider anyone enamored with Trump to be legitimately libertarian. The guy basically regards himself as a dictator and his edicts are mega-authoritarian. To me it is logically impossible to reconcile the two positions. You simply can’t be a pro-authoritarian libertarian. You can’t really espouse libertarian values while being what is coded as “cultur…

Libertarianism is essentially "more powerful and richer people should not be restricted in any way whatsoever". If your freedom or rights are limited by someone who is not directly government, libertarian answer is "that is their freedom you dont matter, government should protect their right to mistreat you".

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Post by tTTempOrary »

There is a thing, i call "cos-playing" - where basically everybody agrees upon a "golden past" and by "reenacting" the golden past in clothing, language and behaviour, this "golden past" will be brought back and forced to stay. Not in the picture are external circumstances, circumstances the golden past brought about, that make a repetition impossible (pension systems calcifying society, monopolies, etc. ).

The truely dangerous phase is reached, when the frantic cosplaying shows no effect and the conclusion slowly crawls towards "insanity is what you do with your life". Because then you have people with nowhere to go and the tools of the past, wishing for an end.

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

bildung wrote: post #513
nosefurhairdo wrote: post #421

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Why should we send $240 million to Zambia? Is it the United States taxpayers' responsibility to treat all of the developing world's problems? How much foreign aid is enough? The United States is approaching 37 trillion dollars of debt. There will be no aid to Zambia or any other country if we default on that debt.

> Why should we send $240 million to Zambia? Is it the United States taxpayers' responsibility to treat all of the developing world's problems? If you see someone drowning in the river, and you stand by and are a good swimmer, is it not your responsibility to help? > There will be no aid to Zambia or any other country if we default on that debt. US Foreign Aid was a trivial amount of money buying much soft power arou…

I’m struck by how some still seem unable to grasp the power of soft influence. Africa now has even fewer incentives to side with anyone but China. America’s strength has long rested on its deep alliances and its knack for creating prosperity abroad—but that advantage is eroding fast.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by hello_computer »

esalman wrote: post #122

The irony here is that Democrats, for more than a decade, did anything and everything, by bankrolling taxpayers money into incentives and subsidies, to protect Tesla, help it compete and even flourish and scale, in the auto market where margins are razor thin and true innovations are hard to come by, even less so from smaller players. Nobody, except Republicans, batted an eye because climate change, science and envir…

i think it’s more than irony. why would the government—irrespective of party—give him billions in refundable credits for over a decade? remember paypal was also an in-q-tel investment? “boring company” to connect DUMBs. starlink for the control grid. spacex to deploy it. tesla as the self-driving AI slam-dunk (windows update car is another control grid). the government has been heavily invested in elon long before donald trump got political. why? with the kind of budget the CIA has, you could make anyone seem as though they had “the midas touch.” name one of your kids “damien” and dress up like the antichrist. the devil has an army. the pentagon points south (down). we ponder our next pleasure as the innocent are slaughtered with our energies, with our tacit approval.

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Post by rco8786 »

lenkite wrote: post #447
rco8786 wrote: post #66

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Just a coincidence that the only company that currently fits the criteria is Tesla then. Everyone else can start rearranging their supply chains and building new factories to comply. Easy peasy right? Be up and running in a few weeks, at most, right?

Curious - If this exact act had been done under the Obama or Biden administrations, would you still hold the same opinion ? Tesla was still a love child at that time. Many companies like Honda are now moving part of domestic production to the US.

If Obama was best buds with Elon and telling the USA to buy Teslas and calling any vandalism against Tesla terrorism and campaigning together and doing Oval Office press conferences together and having Thanksgiving dinner together and letting Elon run a made up government agency?

Come on. It’s blatant corruption in broad daylight. Don’t try and both sides it.

But to answer your question directly if Obama had declared a fake economic emergency to consolidate power to himself and used that emergency power to abruptly pass a series of sweeping tariffs with no clear strategy or messaging and then selectively rolled back some of those tariffs in a way that only benefitted a specific company. Yes. I would feel the same.

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Post by matttproud »

kurthr wrote: post #391
Suppafly wrote: post #384

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My immediate assumption was that Tesla lies and probably has more offshore content than most of their competitors.

Exactly, corruption is legal. Only your competitors will be fined.

Give the U.S. ten years and "clientelism" will have become a household word.

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Post by dialup_sounds »

exe34 wrote: post #498
ethbr1 wrote: post #429

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> Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours... The facts: - There was a report that Amazon was going to begin showing prices - Amazon clarified that was for their low-cost Amazon Haul site, not their main one - The White House griped about them at a press briefing - There were reports Trump called Bezos The whole thin…

How do you go from: 1. White House uses machinery of state to force the hand of private enterprise to hide impact of tariffs on prices. 2. Private enterprise acquiesces. to "The whole thing is murky at best"? It's pretty clear fascism to me. From wikipedia (while they are allowed to exist): "centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition".

The point is that Amazon wasn't doing it in the first place.

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Post by wesselbindt »

rectang wrote: post #7

I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

Ideology is their sales pitch, it's for you and me to consume. It has nothing whatsoever to do with their goals and intentions. This has been true of Thatcher and her deeply protectionist policies all the way up to today with Trump and his tariffs. We're not choosing between regulations and no regulations, we're choosing between regulations that benefit the working class and regulations that benefit the owning class. (Although I suppose it could be argued that in the US you choose between regulations that benefit the owning class and regulations that benefit the owning class more)

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by dialup_sounds »

vlovich123 wrote: post #455
ethbr1 wrote: post #429

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> Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours... The facts: - There was a report that Amazon was going to begin showing prices - Amazon clarified that was for their low-cost Amazon Haul site, not their main one - The White House griped about them at a press briefing - There were reports Trump called Bezos The whole thin…

Amazon has backed off on doing it for Haul after Trump’s press secretary publicly flamed them invoking a direct conversation with him: > “The team that runs our ultra low cost Amazon Haul store considered the idea of listing import charges on certain products,” Amazon spokesperson Tim Doyle said in a statement. “This was never approved and is not going to happen.” > Trump told reporters Tuesday afternoon that Bezos “…

"Leaked to the press" meaning one membership-based newsletter targeting DC insiders.
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