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Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Repeat offenders should not be allowed to drive. In the UK we have 12 points, and lose them for various offences. You get a fine, usually with the alternative of a course the first time. Speed again within 12 months and you get a fine and a minimum of three points (more if you are well above the limit). Speed again within four years and you will lose more points, and AFAIK pretty much guaranteed to be more than the m…

Most US states have similar point systems.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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The US has really poor highway policy that encourages speeding. Many highways have a speed limit of 55mph (89kmh) left over from some ancient oil rationing law. [0] So folks are conditioned to think that speed limits are stupid, because frankly many of them are here. I regularly drive on highways that would be 120kmh (75mph) in Europe but are instead 89kmh. Most traffic ends up going 70-75mph (including traffic enfor…

Virginia has built a reputation for tighter highway speed enforcement than most other places. There are officers out there enforcing as hard as the judges will let them. Now Virginia will put speed control devices in the cars of repeat offenders. Like breath testing ignition control devices, these will save lives and the offenders will pay the cost. Just another step toward better road safety for Virginia. They’re a…

I expect this to increase the number of vehicle accidents since it is forcing people to drive at speeds well below the well established principle of the 85th percentile. We could have improved safety from increasing speed limits to the 85th percentile rather than trying to artificially slow down motorists. Higher speeds mean cars get off the road faster, which means there is more distance between them. Collisions only happen when the distances between vehicles reach 0, and higher average distances inhibit collisions. Trying to force people to drive slower has all of this logic work in reverse, causing more collisions.

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Could I choose to have a device that lowers the maximum in exchange for lower insurance rates? I've never seen the point in speeding

You sort of can, the OBD port dongles offered by some insurance providers take things like braking and acceleration into account to determine rates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> or gang infightings Gangs have easy access to guns when everyone does.

They also do when everyone doesn’t.

Not really. When guns are illegal they're harder to get even on black markets. Gangs usually resort to the next most powerful weapon like knives.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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This has as much to do with chronic speeding as bans on encryption have to do with terrorism. It is nothing more than a foot in the door for massive police surveillance of all motor vehicles. Virginia famously cares more about police than the rights of its citizens so it isn't a surprise the weapons of the future police state are being born there.

You're using a highly regulated piece of equipment that kills over 40,000 people in America annually. What do you feel is the appropriate balance? How is this different to driving around with a mobile phone on?

I think my concern is that we are being lied to.

My opinion is irrelevent as I do not live in Virginia and am not a lawmaker, but I would want this to be tied to a vehicle telematic privacy bill that restricted how cars use telemetry data and gives consumers rights to control what is logged and who sees it and who it can be sold to.

Until we own the data our cars generate, I don't want active speed and acceleration constraint software for "chronic criminals" because inevitably it will be mandatory on all cars and remotely controllable by law enforcement.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Found another article that mentions it adjusts to the speed limit and allows you to go up to 9mph over. Its hard to find issue with applying it only to the biggest offenders, but if this does break out into all cars in 10 years we'll have yet another example of slippery slope regulations. Passing safely (single lane roads) for one would likely be more dangerous in this reality.

This seems appropriate here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOwmgEeSoms

Now whenever I hear someone was unable to pass on a highway because of that law, I will imagine this.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Good, now how about red light cameras?

And heaven forbid, safety inspections to remove some deathtraps?

Just remember to use proper names for the legislation, like "make our streets safe again" and "keep foreigners away from schools", or you'll get an executive order.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Good, now how about red light cameras? And heaven forbid, safety inspections to remove some deathtraps? Just remember to use proper names for the legislation, like "make our streets safe again" and "keep foreigners away from schools", or you'll get an executive order.

Virginia has required yearly safety inspections

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Speed limits in the US have a particular problem. The speed limits are set too close to the speed people are expected to drive. If the typical traffic speed on some highway is 65 MPH and someone is driving 76 MPH, that... isn't much different. It's not some night and day distinction where you can objectively say that 65 is perfectly safe and 76 is recklessly dangerous. The variation in stopping distance between those…

> Speed limits in the US have a particular problem. The speed limits are set too close to the speed people are expected to drive. Are there any countries that don't have this "particular problem"?

Germany with their autobahn is the best example. There is no speed limit and it is far safer than US highways.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Road conditions change. Sometimes it’s the middle of the night and nobody is on the county road, so you can run your brights. Sometimes a particular section of road has high visibility that makes a higher speed safer, while other sections are best taken under the limit. Some vehicles have better headlights than others, different stopping distances. Your logic only says “lower is safer,” it provides no means by which…

You’re trying to apply the “I am a good driver and my judgment is better than other people’s” argument - but the majority of people believe they’re an above average driver. That’s a dangerous fallacy. Now, you might truly be, but your argument paves the way for everyone else to say the same. After all, nothing happened so far. And that other driver might be the one that misjudges and crashes into you. On country road…

Yet the German autobahn suggests that the fallacy is the reasoning that highways even need speed limits. The autobahn is safer without speed limits than every single innovation we have had in setting speed limits. Perhaps it is time to stop blaming drivers and blame highway speed limits for causing safety issues.
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