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Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by tirant »

emsign wrote: post #460
jonplackett wrote: post #60

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This is the only explanation that has made sense to me so far. And it makes even more sense based on these exemptions. https://www.instagram.com/share/_jW_V1hwM This is Senator Chris Murphy explaining it’s not economic policy, it’s an attempt to blackmail corporations into submission by making a deal with him in return for sanctions relief. Keep an eye out for what Apple and nvidia might have agreed to give.

Instead of coming to Trump for pledges of political loyalty those companies should instead come to Europe to be able to make business again freely.

I wouldn’t count Europe as a reference of a free market at all. Regulations and bureaucracy are rampant.

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

freejazz wrote: post #529
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #520

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> Weirdly the same explanation works if you're being less uncharitable Annoyingly, "assume the worst about people, especially those on the opposite side of the political spectrum" seems to be the norm these days.

Well if Trump wants it to not seem back-handed to create a scheme to force companies to come to him to negotiate, he should be open about it then

I wasn't talking about Trump specifically, or even conservatives.

Everyone on both sides automatically thinks the worst about everyone on the other side these days, usually just to score some internet points.

It's a terrible way to go through life. We should show a little grace sometimes.

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Post by xnx »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #505
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #484

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> This is Senator Chris Murphy explaining it’s not economic policy, it’s an attempt to blackmail corporations into submission by making a deal with him in return for sanctions relief. Weirdly the same explanation works if you're being less uncharitable, i.e. Apple agreed to invest $500B in the US but everybody knows new factories aren't going to be built overnight, so they get a reprieve from the tariffs for now prov…

Why did he implement the tariffs in the first place? The $500b was announced more than a month ago https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/02/apple-will-spend-more...

> Why did he implement the tariffs in the first place

It's easy to forget that for a day or two they said it was because of fentanyl.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by riffraff »

zzzeek wrote: post #430
standardUser wrote: post #317

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If this is an attempt at blackmail it appears to be failing. It's only been a few days and Trump has already unilaterally capitulated on several major positions. Unless he's blackmailing himself, the 'plan' is backfiring.

You don't know what capitulations are happening behind the scenes

Given Trump's persona would you expect him to be hush hush about capitulations to him?

I would expect him to post "Tim Apple came to kiss my ass great guy I will allow him to make great computers in America!"

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Post by kunzhi »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #216
fells wrote: post #174

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Because, in reality, they voted for his regressive cultural policies, not his regressive economic policies. Though in November I'm sure they were telling us how good he would be on the economic front.

It's funny, (well, not funny ) because the social issues are the ones where the toothpaste doesn't go back in the bottle. Progress over the long run only goes in the right direction, there's no path to undoing broad acceptance of homosexuality just like we'll never go back to forbidding interracial marriage or women voting. So the top 1% will benefit economically from the right being in power, but the rest will spend…

> Progress over the long run only goes in the right direction, there's no path to undoing broad acceptance of homosexuality just like we'll never go back to forbidding interracial marriage or women voting.

This is 100% false and naive. History is profoundly reversible. There is no such thing as guaranteed progress.

So-called "acceptance" of homosexuality is a very recent phenomenon but in no way mainstream. Even in the liberal progressive Bay Area you can get gay bashed quite easily (including in the Castro!).

Voting rights for women? Basically just turned 100 years old in the United States and already in the process of getting rolled back via the SAVE act.

Don't assume that any of the liberal trends we've seen in the last 150 years are here to stay. America is an interesting historical exception and anomaly -- by no means how humanity has done business for the majority of its existence.

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Post by jliptzin »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #504
prng2021 wrote: post #90

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I keep seeing these explanations of “4D chess”. It’s Donald Trump. He has absolutely no idea what he’s doing when it comes to economic policies. Unless you believe he can see into the future of how other world leaders would react and consistently outsmart everyone else, there’s no 4D chess being played.

If I was charitable to Trump, I would think that he genuinely wants to move manufacturing back to the US, and is likely being supported by the military faction of the government. There is a decent chance of a hot war with China in the future, and you really can’t win wars if you can’t build stuff at home quickly. As things currently stand, China can vastly out produce America in the event of a war

A war with China would be over in about 15 min with both sides utterly destroyed

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Post by riffraff »

ineedaj0b wrote: post #405
jayd16 wrote: post #298

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I think its crystal clear there is no actual plan.

https://www.hudsonbaycapital.com/documents/FG/hudsonbay/rese...

Did you link this implying "this is the plan?"

Cause this talks of a gradual implementation of tariff to avoid scaring the markets, which is as far from what happened as it's possible.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by peteforde »

I listened the book "Lucky Loser" (Craig/Buettner) a few months back. It's a well-researched timeline of how the Trump fortune was made, and to be really kind, how monumentally terrible DJT is at business on a fundamental level. The shady deals and repulsive ethics are not exceptions but the status quo. The only reason he's in the situation he's in is because the guy who created Survivor saw an opportunity. Now the whole world is paying the price.

I listened because I thought it would be funny, but the shitty behaviour and unapologetic corruption is just so naked that it actually left me feeling pretty upset for all of the obvious reasons.

I'd say that I don't understand how anyone can be charmed by this con artist, but the truth is that I have simply lost a ton of faith in the "average" person.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by scarface_74 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #484
jonplackett wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the only explanation that has made sense to me so far. And it makes even more sense based on these exemptions. https://www.instagram.com/share/_jW_V1hwM This is Senator Chris Murphy explaining it’s not economic policy, it’s an attempt to blackmail corporations into submission by making a deal with him in return for sanctions relief. Keep an eye out for what Apple and nvidia might have agreed to give.

> This is Senator Chris Murphy explaining it’s not economic policy, it’s an attempt to blackmail corporations into submission by making a deal with him in return for sanctions relief. Weirdly the same explanation works if you're being less uncharitable, i.e. Apple agreed to invest $500B in the US but everybody knows new factories aren't going to be built overnight, so they get a reprieve from the tariffs for now prov…

Apple will not be making iPhones in the US. Labor costs would be too high, the supply chain for the raw materials and the parts is non existent, etc.

It’s a sop to Trump just like when Cook did the dog and pony show and bragged about making the 10 Mac Pros that they ship in a year in the US.

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