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Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by Forgeties79 »

radlad wrote: post #436
Forgeties79 wrote: post #363

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They have it very clearly written before you check out that you can receive a full refund anytime before it ships. You have to check a box saying you acknowledge this before completing your purchase. I find what they’re doing very transparent from top to bottom. If you’re worried about it, don’t buy one. But if you’re worried they’re going to pull the rug out from under you, I don’t think you need to.

Yeah, it is transparent... that they may raise the price and undisclosed amount. There's nothing wrong with it but the terms mean I'm not interested in preordering. I'll wait until the final price is available. Why did this seem to upset people?

I don’t think they can legally raise the price and charge your card without communicating the adjusted price to you and letting you confirm. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on that but ultimately I think they still need you to agree to it explicitly.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by theodric »

brianshaler wrote: post #294
theodric wrote: post #284

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Disagree, with the following reasoning: 1. IIRC the first Pebble was $99, and the one after it was $149. We're a decade on, inflation is rampant, and the new devices are evidently intended as lower volume products. $149 seems OK to me in 2025. $225 seems OK as well for the color unit, but I don't feel like waiting until December, and can't justify buying two watches. I put my money down for the $149 unit. We'll see h…

> can't justify buying two watches I managed to eke out a couple more years after Pebbles were discontinued by finding replacements on ebay. If this is a low volume run, I'm contemplating the opposite—whether I can justify not buying multiple while I still can.

Fine, I ordered three.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by jolmg »

cdurth wrote: post #212

I might be missing something, but how do you specify color options for the Core Time 2?

Was wondering the same thing. I found this:

> 1. Can I choose a color for Core Time 2? Yes you can! Just not yet. We are finalizing all the color options and will contact everyone prior to shipping so you can choose which color best suits you! Just make sure your contact information is correct for your pre-order

-- https://bsky.app/profile/repebble.com/post/3lkt2yfub7s2i

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by IIsi50MHz »

ActivePattern wrote: post #318
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #305

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What they call "gross profit" is not profit , by definition. It's certainly useful to track $revenue-$cost_of_goods, but you can't call that profit. People are free to use words incorrectly, but they shouldn't expect anyone else to go along with them.

Who chooses the "correct" use of words? Is it you? Wikipedia disagrees with you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_margin . Maybe you should make your own encyclopedia.

"Gross margin" seems a suitable alternative term.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by robocat »

ahel wrote: post #313
robocat wrote: post #259

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> curious about the risk of a "at cost" replacement You can't tell consumers the raw manufacturing cost because people act weird when they are told it: they usually assume the "markup" is profits. They assume that they're getting ripped off because most people don't understand development costs or overheads and they always argue that any profit is too much. This problem can't be fixed. Apart from the risk of scammers…

Hey, I completely agree and I also suffer from this same bias: it's ruining me from enjoying stuff that I would like to buy but in the end I just give up because it feels that any profit is a scam. What kind of resource can I study for me to understand and accept other people making profits?

> it feels that any profit is a scam

It is so weird we talk about caring about an invisible variable that is actually irrelevant.

In theory we should only look at the price and judge whether our expected benefits are likely to exceed that price. And we get distracted by measuring things in $, when what really matters is our benefits which can't be measured in $.

We are also distracted by ideals of fairness (a foolish goal in a business transaction) and zero-sum thinking (am I getting ripped off?)

I don't mind spending money on quality. What I hate is the information gap, and the costs of having to learn how to judge quality myself (because price is no proxy measure). I am distrustful of so many biased signals, plus so many other people's opinions are either unhelpful or influenced.

Mostly we each just fall back on an A versus B heuristic. I find it absolutely mad that the world works at all.

And an answer: look at the bad buying decisions made by others, and learn from their mistakes. I watch my father with money to spare, he wastes 2 hours to save $1, or he avoids spending money on something that would benefit his life or the life of someone he cares for, or he won't buy a Toyota because he hated their adverts once, or he keeps buying a Nissan even after being burnt by a severe costly design flaw.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by Saris »

naruhodo wrote: post #509
Reason077 wrote: post #324

> "30 day battery life" I've done the math and according to my calculations that's approximately 30X more battery life than an Apple Watch. Impressive!

It most likely has a lot to do with the display tech. I got 8 days out of the PineTime, which was LED (I assume). You couldn't see anything if the display wasn't turned on. I just bought a BangleJS (quite a bit cheaper than the Core 2 Duo, but no speaker and only one button) and the estimated battery life is a month. It uses a colour LCD, making the display visible whenever there is light. For example, daylight makes…

My Garmin Venu 2 with an OLED display gets at least a week with a couple days of GPS usage for walks too.

I don't understand how anyone is willing to buy a watch that barely lasts a day.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by tucosan »

I love it. I loved my pebbles. The only thing that always annoyed me was the design.

My dream is that pebble eventually becomes a beautiful time piece. Maybe teenage engineering could be convinced to give the pebble a design refresh.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by mulderc »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #492
SSLy wrote: post #450

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disable hours-in-sunlight, it's a battery gobbler.

Switch to a MIPS transflective or e-paper display as on a Pebble or Garmin, OLED and LCD displays on Apple and Samsung watches look pretty indoors (when they're not turned off to save power) but are hard to read outside (without excessive brightness) and are battery gobblers. Just charged my Garmin Fenix for the first time in... 9 days (it was down at 18%, could get a few more days but it makes me nervous), most of t…

Even Garmin has largely moved to AMOLED screens. They look great both indoors and outside and with modern technology they are not as battery hungry as they once were. Personally I find the battery life on my Apple Watch more than acceptable. I charge it while I’m showering and getting readying in the morning and have never had any issues even though I am a very heavy watch user and often use it independently of my phone.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by jolmg »

Avamander wrote: post #345
jmcphers wrote: post #249

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Pebble's display is also a backlit LCD. It is better than some backlit LCDs but the technology is not fundamentally different. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/pebble/comments/3i6mje/epaper_tech_...

It was e-paper (transreflective LCD), although it had a backlight it is vastly different to your usual backlit TFT.

Checking the datasheet for Bangle's display, it seems to also be a transflective LCD.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by hn8726 »

pbmonster wrote: post #424
macNchz wrote: post #80

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It's kind of weird segmentation, but, given neither has GPS, I wonder how many people who'd seriously consider buying one of these really care about having a compass & barometer. Are those often important features to someone who doesn't care about GPS?

In theory, you could pull GPS data from a connected smartphone, right? Most smartphones don't come with a barometer, and the compass actually needs to be fixed to the display to make sense.

Personally I try to disable GPS in my smartphone when hiking unless I need to check the maps — I prefer to have my communication device not dead when I need it, and modern smartphones are terrible with battery life
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