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Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

EncomLab wrote: post #7
GaggiX wrote: post #4

I'm waiting for the demo where it makes my coffee and brings it to me.

This is the "Wozniak Standard" (sometimes called the Coffee Test) - Drop an AI enabled robot in front of a random house and ask it to bring you a cup of coffee. The robot would need to enter the house, locate the kitchen, locate the coffee machine, locate the coffee, locate the filters, locate the coffee mugs, locate a measuring spoon - then add the correct amount of water, the filter, the correct amount of coffee, s…

It would just scan for the MAC of the WIFI-enabled Keurig, home in to that, and then ping the RFIDs of the capsules, and grab one of those.

Wasn't that easy?

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by mystified5016 »

decimalenough wrote: post #380

I always thought that Asimov's Laws of Robotics ("A robot may not injure a human being" etc) were an interesting prop for science fiction, but wildly disconnected from the way computing & robotics actually work. Turns out he was just writing LLM prompts way ahead of his time.

The Three Laws were intentionally written as a cautionary tale about a torment nexus.

Like seemingly all torment nexii, the warning part of the tale is forgotten.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by mystified5016 »

generalizations wrote: post #476
alternatex wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only wildly disconnected, but purposefully created to show ambiguity of rules when interpreted by beings without empathy. All of Asimov's books that include the laws also include them being unintentionally broken through some edge-case.

It was weird to actually read I, Robot and discover that the entire book is a collection of short stories about those laws going wrong. Far as I know, Asimov never actually told a story where those laws were a good thing.

Well, "everything worked out according to plan and nobody got hurt" doesn't make for a very interesting story ;)

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by paulryanrogers »

krapp wrote: post #481
decimalenough wrote: post #380

I always thought that Asimov's Laws of Robotics ("A robot may not injure a human being" etc) were an interesting prop for science fiction, but wildly disconnected from the way computing & robotics actually work. Turns out he was just writing LLM prompts way ahead of his time.

It's funny because Isaac Asimov would have come up with some convoluted logical puzzle to justify why the robot went on a murderous rampage - because in sci-fi robots and AI are all hyperrational and perfectly rational - when in real life you'd just have to explain that your dying grandmother's last wish was to kill all the humans, because a real AI is essentially a dementia-riddled child created from the Lovecraftia…

AIs that eventually go insane is a sci-fi trope that it appeared in the Halo (2, 3, Reach?) videogames.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by timewizard »

decimalenough wrote: post #454
pjerem wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> human interaction with vomit, feces, and dead animals Humans can generally stand this without an issue. In fact you wouldn’t replace a lot of jobs that involves this : doctors, nurses, emergency workers, caregivers… It just happens to be difficult. But people love doing difficult things as long as it’s : a) rewarding, b) respected, and c) sufficiently paid

I'm pretty sure manually scavenging through garbage is none of those.

What would I have to pay an unskilled version of you, both in terms if gross pay, and in required safety equipment, to get you to do the job? What would be reasonable?

Does the graph of that pay scale cross the cost graph of this robot?

Maybe just paying a living wage is a simpler answer than most AI enthusiasts want to admit.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by krapp »

fwipsy wrote: post #499
krapp wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny because Isaac Asimov would have come up with some convoluted logical puzzle to justify why the robot went on a murderous rampage - because in sci-fi robots and AI are all hyperrational and perfectly rational - when in real life you'd just have to explain that your dying grandmother's last wish was to kill all the humans, because a real AI is essentially a dementia-riddled child created from the Lovecraftia…

Worth noting is that the article is from April 2022 and used gpt-3. The "friend" was an imaginary friend, not a dead friend, and so probably more prone to taking actions which would appear in a fictional context. From my research it looks like the base gpt-3 model was just a text predictor without any RLHF or training to be helpful/harmless. Certainly AI safety isn't perfect, but if you're going to criticize it at le…

Fair enough but it's still wild that the template for AI and robots in science fiction has (usually) been to portray them as hyper-rational, competent and logical even to a fault, but the most accurate prediction of what AI and robots turn out to be is probably Star Wars, not anything by Asimov.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by timewizard »

> To further assess the societal implications of our work, we collaborate with experts in our Responsible Development and Innovation team and as well as our Responsibility and Safety Council, an internal review group committed to ensure we develop AI applications responsibly.

"We consulted with ourselves and decided that we're a-okay!"

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by krapp »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #534
krapp wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny because Isaac Asimov would have come up with some convoluted logical puzzle to justify why the robot went on a murderous rampage - because in sci-fi robots and AI are all hyperrational and perfectly rational - when in real life you'd just have to explain that your dying grandmother's last wish was to kill all the humans, because a real AI is essentially a dementia-riddled child created from the Lovecraftia…

AIs that eventually go insane is a sci-fi trope that it appeared in the Halo (2, 3, Reach?) videogames.

And 2001, and I Robot and the Matrix and Star Trek. I should have let that comment percolate a bit.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by ipv6ipv4 »

GolfPopper wrote: post #381

Does no one remember the last Google Gemini super-impressive demo that blew everyone away was faked? https://techcrunch.com/2023/12/07/googles-best-gemini-demo-w...

There was also the AI that would handle restaurant reservations over the phone.
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