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"Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by hiatus »

ceejayoz wrote: post #529
hiatus wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I took it to mean that agencies no longer have the final say in interpretations of law when it comes to exercising executive power. So for instance if ATF says a banana is a machine gun and the president says "yes", then barring an act of Congress clarifying, it is. I don't see how you go from there to the end of judicial review?

“No employee of the executive branch acting in their official capacity may advance an interpretation of the law as the position of the United States that contravenes the President or the Attorney General’s opinion on a matter of law“ would seem to rule out, say, accepting a SCOTUS ruling against the President, should he insist it was wrongly decided.

Does any law or executive order say "unless invalidated by a court"? Isn't that kind of a given?

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

fjjjrjj wrote: post #377
phkahler wrote: post #364

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Lying and blaming Ukraine for starting the war and taking sides with Russia puts blood on his hands. That an aggressor nation can walk into another country's sovereign territory and annex it with the blessing of a sitting US president is a disgrace.

Exactly. It's like saying "If she hadn't fought back, it wouldn't have hurt so much".

Absolutely disgusting

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by joeldg »

tmpz22 wrote: post #212
throw0101c wrote: post #151

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> Inflation is an extreme handout to the wealthy. Debatable. But the opposite, deflation, hits the poor much harder. It was deflation, the gold standard, and the insistence of balanced budgets that caused revolutions all over the world: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austerity:_The_History_of_a_Da... It was dropping prices that caused ferment in the US: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Gold_speech It was FDR…

> Inflation is an extreme handout to the wealthy. > Debatable Wait how is this debatable. We saw wealth inequality explode in ‘20 ‘21 ‘22 and ‘23 as the wealthiest Americans navigated rapid inflation and then rate cuts by strategically buying everything they could and then turning into activist investors and forcing RTO and mass layoffs despite record profits. Wealthy people can take advantage of economic turmoil by…

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Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by burningChrome »

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #463
Zamaamiro wrote: post #258

This EO, combined with his proclamation that "He who saves the country does not violate any law" paint a very concerning picture. This has, historically speaking, been the language of tyrants. No President is above the law, nor does the President "interpret" the law; that is the domain of the Judiciary. “Wherever law ends, tyranny begins”

> nor does the President "interpret" the law; that is the domain of the Judiciary Everyone tasked with enforcing a law must necessarily interpret its meaning. The judiciary gets the final say though.

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Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

dkobia wrote: post #128

This new administration lays bare what we've known all along - the legislative gridlock and dysfunction in the house of representatives and senate has made them completely incapable of governing -- the least productive in a generation. This is opened up an opportunity for a well funded strongman, and the checks and balances that were intended to protect our democracy are now mere suggestions.

Or this opened opportunity for dictator to arise.

I wonder which of these two commonly happened in the past.

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Post by rurp »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #492
generic92034 wrote: post #451

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> Eventually, and in fact about 50% of the time - the OTHER team is in power.. and may just push the overreach further. Are you sure this is going to be a fact, in the future? How likely is it, that the next elections will still be (somewhat) fair?

That's the reaction some extreme Trump supporters I know had after 2020. They claimed there would never be another fair election because of the manipulation of the electronic voting machines

That's nothing like the current situation. Those claims were based on stupid conspiracy theories with no supporting evidence. Everyone can see what this administration is saying and doing. Trump is telling us that he doesn't respect laws or democracy, and is following that up with action.

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Post by NotYourLawyer »

colmmacc wrote: post #489
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #463

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> nor does the President "interpret" the law; that is the domain of the Judiciary Everyone tasked with enforcing a law must necessarily interpret its meaning. The judiciary gets the final say though.

At least on criminal matters, pardons over-ride the judicial branch.

That’s an unrelated issue.

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Post by NotYourLawyer »

nielsbot wrote: post #518
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #463

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> nor does the President "interpret" the law; that is the domain of the Judiciary Everyone tasked with enforcing a law must necessarily interpret its meaning. The judiciary gets the final say though.

Who will enforce following the law if the executive branch ignores the judicial? In theory the military is sworn to defend the constitution, but if the DOD is headed by a Trump loyalist (it is), then what?

There is no suggestion that that’s going to happen.

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Post by fhdkweig »

philk10 wrote: post #436
bagels wrote: post #363

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Republican Senators want this. It's not about statistics. They believe in this stupid Unitary Executive thing (aka, we should have a King).

Perfect timing when he's just tweeted out that he is The King

Just because it took me a while to find the reference: The full quote on Truth Social and Twitter is "CONGESTION PRICING IS DEAD. Manhattan, and all of New York, is SAVED. LONG LIVE THE KING!"

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1140320828992...

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Post by jjkaczor »

arunabha wrote: post #530
codewench wrote: post #515

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> Nothing prevents the next president from having a radically different opinion. Of course, this is only relevant if they are interested in having a 'next' president, something which it seems a segment of society is less than open to.

I would like to believe(perhaps naively) that the segment of population which genuinely believes in doing away with democracy is pretty small. However, in case such an event comes to pass, what is far more important is the segment which actively opposes such a power grab. Authoritarians reply on the passiveness of the majority coupled with a small but very vocal and rabid fan base. It's quite possible that a slow and…

It's about 70 million as of the last count in November.
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