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Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by latexr »

throw0101c wrote: post #525
latexr wrote: post #507

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Yes, better use a fanny pack and have it on you at all times . Don’t even remove it and store it in your bag temporarily when on an airplane, you never know if it’ll capsize on landing and you’ll need to avoid people on the internet criticising you. It also goes without saying that you should keep in on while showering and sleeping too, you never know when your hotel could catch on fire.

> Don’t even remove it and store it in your bag temporarily when on an airplane, you never know if it’ll capsize on landing and you’ll need to avoid people on the internet criticising you. You'll need to first avoid succumbing to smoke inhalation or flames if you don't get out in time (or cause someone else to not get out because your fumbling). The take-offs and landings (and perhaps add approach) phases of flight c…

Do you see lots of smoke and flames in this video? There are several people outside already, with backpacks too. It is incredible how people feel entitled to, based on a split second from a video, judge so harshly another human being who just went through a traumatic experience. We weren’t there. The situation looks under control. For all you know this person gave their turn to others inside the plane so they could get out before her.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by ghostly_s »

arrowsmith wrote: post #492
exabrial wrote: post #487

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My brother in law, aviation firefighter, said after a crash you have 15s to egress, that's it. There's not a lot of air in the metal tube you're trapped in, it'll fill with smoke and everyone will be disoriented. It's also a long way to the exits, and the average person in the exit row probably will be in shock and likely not operate the exit door immediately. Absolutely incredible the fireball was put out in the fli…

Presumably it helped that they crashed into a thick pile of snow in freezing conditions - I imagine that would slow the spread of the fire. But still, that’s astonishing footage in the Reddit post linked above. Incredible that no one died.

All that snow is going to do next to a jet fuel fire is create a lot of steam.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

lqet wrote: post #472
leetrout wrote: post #449

Clear view from the plane waiting to take off https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/1isabt... Which also brings into mind cockpit distractions but its amazing they caught this on video.

From the same thread, an AMA by a passenger: https://old.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/1is5unz/i_was_on_the_f... Just to emphasize how insanely lucky they were: > From inside we didn't see any of the fire, thank goodness! We were all upside down to start with, but many of us were able to release themselves pretty quickly. After that the "upright" of us helped the upside-down until we were all righted and ready to evacuat…

> the other one poured jet fuel in when they opened it

welp guess i'm never flying again

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Post by queuebert »

exabrial wrote: post #489
cjrp wrote: post #484

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I was thinking this, and also if the airframe had warped enough to prevent the doors opening (maybe this is impossible?).

I'm hoping that's a design consideration!

Boeing solved it by leaving the bolts out of the doors.

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Post by gosub100 »

cm2187 wrote: post #294
RachelF wrote: post #56

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It also looks like a wing has been ripped off. That passengers could survive an accident involving so much force is surprising.

Not only ripped off but if you look at the video it looks like the wings exploded with a ball of fire.

That might have saved them, breaking the source of fuel away

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Post by FabHK »

jonasdegendt wrote: post #481
lqet wrote: post #418

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We were once landing on Madeira, one of the most dangerous airports in the world. Even a nice landing there is quite uncomfortable. For some time you fly very close to the ocean, heading straight into the cliffs, and only in the last moment the plane seems to make a right turn to approach the runway. We made a wobbly touchdown, people already wanted to get up, when suddenly the plane was again lifted a few meters and…

Your description of the landing reminds me of the old Hong Kong Kai Tak airport approach. You basically had to fly straight over the city, high rise buildings straight ahead, and bank right as hard as the plane would let you at just the right time to hit the runway. Outside perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqO6gdJIz8 Cockpit view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx3Ccs5tKfw

Ah, the good old "checkerboard" approach. Visible in the second video from 3:10 to 3:25 on the left, and when it was clearly visible it was time to turn right and land. After the move to the new Chek Lap Kok airport in 1998, the checker board fell into disrepair, but was renovated a while ago. It's visible from my office in its old red-and-white glory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kai_Tak_Airport

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checkerboard_Hill

https://droneandslr.com/travel-blog/hong-kong/checkerboard-h...

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Post by crazygringo »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #281
culi wrote: post #160

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If we invested as much into rail safety as we do into air safety, it'd be fair to compare them. Regardless, in the long term rail transportation is simply much more sustainable and increased investment is very much warranted

It's also much more pleasant. And in the rare cases when things do go wrong your chances of survival are much higher.

> And in the rare cases when things do go wrong your chances of survival are much higher.

That's a completely irrelevant metric.

The only thing that matters is my risk of injury/death per passenger mile. Trains are much worse. End of story.

What you're saying is that trains get into far more accidents, but that don't injure/kill you. On top of still being much more likely to injure/kill you.

And you think that's a good thing...?

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by gosub100 »

pseingatl wrote: post #483

Compare this crash to the Emirates crash in Dubai (EK 521, 2016). In the Emirates incident, the passengers stalled the evacuation in order to grab their carry-ons. Many were seen on the tarmac dragging roll-aboards. Here the passengers chose life over property and efficiently evacuated the aircraft.

Elsewhere in the thread is a video showing at least one passenger carrying their baggage. 90+ percent compliance isn't bad though

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by crazygringo »

seszett wrote: post #55
crazygringo wrote: post #50

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That's cherry-picking to the extreme. Not only are most trains not Shinkansen, not even most trains in Japan are Shinkansen.

Only the Shinkansen (and TGV on my sibling post) can be compared to planes though. Local or IC trains might be compared to cars in the US.

> Only the Shinkansen (and TGV on my sibling post) can be compared to planes though.

Says who? Right now, in reality, the only thing that makes sense is comparing existing flights with existing train routes.

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