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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by toomuchtodo »

lccerina wrote: post #280
ps wrote: post #222

I have owned Model S since 2018, now driving my second one (Raven). The first one was just poor manufacturing Tesla has been known for forever. Second one is however the disaster. So many sounds while turning the steering wheel, driving on tiny slopes, braking etc. forced me to convince the service center to replace the suspension, arms & half-shafts (all under warranty). None of these steps helped, service center pr…

The error was to buy a second one after "the first one was just poor manufacturing". I never saw manufacturing quality improve over time from car companies.

The trick is to buy a used Tesla you’ve had inspected and taken for a test drive. This, mostly, avoids lemons and chronic issues.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by tim333 »

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #470
tim333 wrote: post #341

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Of course you get some issues with 33 year old cars. I let my 31 year old mx5 go but slightly regret it - it needed ~£3000 spent to renovate but then they keep their value as classics. Getting replacement parts can start getting tricky.

Hah, did it fall apart from rust?

Well, not exactly fall apart but there were rust holes you could see through. It would have needed at least some welding to get through the mot and ideally a fair bit of bodywork stripped back and replaced.

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Post by manmal »

brandonagr2 wrote: post #449
wesselbindt wrote: post #272

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Agreed, the quality of the product should speak for itself. We've got people saying they're unreliable, and we've got people saying they're reliable, and that's true for literally every car manufacturer on the planet, so this doesn't tell us much. Anecdotal stuff aside, there's studies done on these things, thankfully, and Tesla consistently ranks poorly. See for example this one (this is just the first one that popp…

And yet Tesla has industry leading brand loyalty, what do you think is a better predictor, an opaque number computed by Consumer Reports from an unknown formula that combines feedback about non reliability items from users who bother to respond to consumer reports questions, or what 87% of consumers decide after experiencing a Tesla? https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-leads-with-unmatched-...

Is this still true? Recent numbers from EU countries didn’t look good for Tesla. Only 11% of Swedes approve of Tesla now.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by manmal »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #502
theshrike79 wrote: post #319

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They do have less panel gaps and other minor flaws, because the people putting them together in Germany actually care (and have unions and proper working hours so they're not exhausted).

Panel gaps on most utilitarian family car mean near 0, esp. around reliability.

It’s a good proxy for care taken and fs given during production.

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Post by manmal »

halifaxbeard wrote: post #408
musikele wrote: post #165

Let's remove Musk from the equation, because you can like or (most probably) hate him, but I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience. Everything worked out of the box. Just one piece of hardware started to fail (the charger plug making some noise) and they changed it in warranty. First: has the author tried a tesla before buying one? I'd never buy a car without trying it. Because comparing it to a Clio just be…

"first gen" Model 3s didn't have an emergency rear door release for when the electrical one failed. they've since added that to more recent generations. but- a car company that doesn't see the need to have emergency rear door releases has systemic issues. someone, anyone involved in approving that design could have said "no. i will not sign off on this", but they didn't. it makes me wonder what other corners they cut…

One corner they are cutting is replacing radar with the camera. IMO that’s ridiculous, but it’s certainly made a few million extra.

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

jfoster wrote: post #12
bflesch wrote: post #3

The 8% battery loss per day comes from sentry mode. It's draining your battery like crazy.

Is it 0% per day if you turn off sentry mode?

I once left my Tesla unplugged for 5 days and it lost 1%.

So effectively, it should be pretty close to 0%. Even if we assume maximum rounding error (ie, maybe it actually lost 1.9%?), maybe round that up to 2%, 5 days to lose 2% means it takes 50 days to lose 20%. 100 days to lose 40%.

If the car is working properly, then vampire drain is a complete non-issue except for an exceptionally rare scenario where you don't drive and can't plug it in, not even into a standard household outlet, for more than 3 months.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by robotresearcher »

coldtea wrote: post #141
sgt wrote: post #4

If Elon wasn't so busy talking crap on Twitter all day long, he could maybe pick up on stories like these if it went viral, and get something done. This is unacceptable. Teslas, in principle, are great cars.

> Teslas, in principle, are great cars. What principle? Aside from mouth gaping nerdy admiration early on ("oh EV! oh, sportcars! Oh, it can ~kill y~ drive itself! Oh, shiny panels"), they'd been nothing but trouble for a decade now. And let's not get started on the Cybertruck either.

Have you driven one? The Model 3, particularly the 2024 update+, is super fun to drive. Zips around town really nicely. There's very little to maintain.

Most of them don't go wrong, so the dominant experience is the above.

+The new model is usefully more quiet and has better suspension. Previous were a bit rattly and very noisy.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by amenhotep »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #526
ryandrake wrote: post #484

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It's ridiculous that any of these things need microcontrollers. My first car's door had a little joystick that physically moved the mirror around, presumably using pushrods or something. The door lock was a physical device you moved up and down, and had a motor connected (power door locks were fancy). It also had cranked window controls, not so nice. But power windows didn't need a computer either. We keep taking thi…

> presumably using pushrods It was probably using stepper motors, with the pulse train being generated by a microcontroller.

No, there genuinely used to be purely mechanical mirror controls. You'd twiddle the little joystick and it would more or less adjust the mirror, in a way that at least in my experience was slightly imprecise and rubbish, but definitely didn't demand any electronics.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by dzhiurgis »

manmal wrote: post #535
dzhiurgis wrote: post #502

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Panel gaps on most utilitarian family car mean near 0, esp. around reliability.

It’s a good proxy for care taken and fs given during production.

Plenty of cars for you then. Only pity you pay 2x price for 1/2 features. But at least it looks good!
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