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Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by lame-robot-hoax »

scarab92 wrote: post #519
0dayz wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could have just condensed this down to: democrats bad and only their fault. Because if people in the middle can be so damn gullible to vote for a criminal who said: "I don't care about you, I only want your votes", like Trump because he promised good economy I don't know how anyone can conclude that the issue here is with democrats and not the people's lack of critical thinking. It's a bit late to correctly point…

> a criminal, lie, swindle and rig puller like Trump > voter base is stupid > facist, nazi, coup Name calling typically results in people viewing you as immature. If the left ever want to reclaim the respect of voters, they need to lose this bad habit.

> Name calling typically results in people viewing you as immature.

If this was true, Trump wouldn’t be president. Either that, or America doesn’t see an issue with immaturity.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by 3D30497420 »

brylie wrote: post #497
jmward01 wrote: post #490

This is a coup and we are calmly debating budgets. Debating the % of budget and how useful organization x is and if y will still get grant money, and, and, and... All of this is ignoring the big elephant in the room that there is one single person deciding everything that happens in government as if they were a king. The right thing to be debating is how we can stop this from continuing and how we can hold those resp…

As an expat in the EU, I have a surreal sense of being a bystander at an ongoing emergency scene. I don’t want to be yet another gawker as this situation is unfolding but am struggling to come up with actions that are within my power to take as a form of protest, resistance, or solidarity. What are some practical actions that we can take to resist these sweeping changes?

Hope the US gets bad enough that people in the EU notice and decide they don't want to go down the same route?

Honestly though, I'm in the same situation and I don't know.

I did just start paid subscriptions to several media outlets that have been doing good reporting on the situation (Guardian, Verge). I unsubscribed to the Washington Post after they pulled their Harris endorsement (which was appalling), but their coverage since feels relatively thorough and they are well placed to report on all this so far, so I resubscribed. I already support PBS. I'll probably donate to Pro Publica next.

I expect media outlets will be under rapidly increasing pressure, so supporting them financially feels important and positive.

I've also have a standing donation to the NAACP legal defense fund from his first administration that I've just kept running.

So... money I guess?

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by newsclues »

jmward01 wrote: post #490

This is a coup and we are calmly debating budgets. Debating the % of budget and how useful organization x is and if y will still get grant money, and, and, and... All of this is ignoring the big elephant in the room that there is one single person deciding everything that happens in government as if they were a king. The right thing to be debating is how we can stop this from continuing and how we can hold those resp…

Funny how democracy works, I recall an election recently not a coup.

Government is not a monolith, this isn’t the action of one single person, but the result of tens of millions people voting for change (that you disagree with).

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by xocnad »

scarab92 wrote: post #519
0dayz wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could have just condensed this down to: democrats bad and only their fault. Because if people in the middle can be so damn gullible to vote for a criminal who said: "I don't care about you, I only want your votes", like Trump because he promised good economy I don't know how anyone can conclude that the issue here is with democrats and not the people's lack of critical thinking. It's a bit late to correctly point…

> a criminal, lie, swindle and rig puller like Trump > voter base is stupid > facist, nazi, coup Name calling typically results in people viewing you as immature. If the left ever want to reclaim the respect of voters, they need to lose this bad habit.

What about the right? Trump is a champion name caller and garnered sufficient respect to win his election after he pushed our country to the closest it ever has been to an actual coup.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by jimkleiber »

DarkmSparks wrote: post #502
realusername wrote: post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes let's call a spade a spade, it's a coup. Trump is passing as much stuff as quickly as he can to bypass the separation of powers while they catch up.

not really a coup, its a default. US government is already using pension fund money to pay its bills since early January (aka special measures), the interest on their national debt is already more than they collect in taxes.

That has very little if anything to do with the executive branch brazenly disregarding laws.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

Gabriel54 wrote: post #335
relaxing wrote: post #277

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I'm not happy with what is going on, to be clear. But I am also not surprised that it is happening, and furthermore I don't believe there was any other alternative to this scorched earth war against DEI. If one had any reservations against DEI before, one would speak only in whispers. Now the backlash is here.

You want all scientific research in the US halted, just because the term "pregnant people" bothers you? Look, I think the term is a bit cringeworthy, but ripping up the entire US scientific system over that is psychotic.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by belter »

xp84 wrote: post #503
jmward01 wrote: post #490

This is a coup and we are calmly debating budgets. Debating the % of budget and how useful organization x is and if y will still get grant money, and, and, and... All of this is ignoring the big elephant in the room that there is one single person deciding everything that happens in government as if they were a king. The right thing to be debating is how we can stop this from continuing and how we can hold those resp…

As far as I can tell, Trump is doing things he openly announced he would do for at least a year. So all of this is either a result of robust public support for his policies, or, (my preferred explanation) an even more robust public repudiation of the only alternative that was put forward by the other party, a candidate famous for dropping out before Iowa in 2020 but somehow was coronated the nominee without any voter…

A simple mental exercise using analogies, might help explain why the current branch of the simulation should be backtracked asap...

- Imagine if the president allowed Jeff Bezos to reprogram the Treasury’s payment system as if it were an online shopping cart.

- Picture the president authorizing Sam Altman to treat the federal payment system maybe as a live AI experiment.

- Envision the president allowing Larry Page to run the Treasury system.

- Imagine Mark Zuckerberg not only with the power to update federal payment rules, with access to all U.S. taxpayer data. Incredible coincidence Musk runs, privately, a social networking site...

I dont include an example with Palantir...Because some of the 19 years old bros working with the Musk team, were interns at Palantir. So I am just going to assume Thiel has all the info on all US citizens now...

No concerns with conflicts of interest, no vetting, no official role because...People voted for the current president? When did voting become a blank check?

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by jimkleiber »

scarab92 wrote: post #513
xp84 wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I can tell, Trump is doing things he openly announced he would do for at least a year. So all of this is either a result of robust public support for his policies, or, (my preferred explanation) an even more robust public repudiation of the only alternative that was put forward by the other party, a candidate famous for dropping out before Iowa in 2020 but somehow was coronated the nominee without any voter…

Purity spiral. The left won't be competitive in elections until they learn what it is, why it results in alienation of people who would otherwise support them, and find a way to escape it.

In other words, the left needs to learn how to love the right (and many people within the left). But I don't know if that's the case. I think there are a lot of people on the right who want the left to love them but believe that the people on the left do not love them.

I believe the problem is that people need to learn how to feel loved. To realize that even our enemies are trying their best and most likely care about us a lot more than they would ever admit. Both sides struggle with this. People on the current left tend to just resign and give up on the relationships. People on the right tend to seek vengeance.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by belter »

brylie wrote: post #497
jmward01 wrote: post #490

This is a coup and we are calmly debating budgets. Debating the % of budget and how useful organization x is and if y will still get grant money, and, and, and... All of this is ignoring the big elephant in the room that there is one single person deciding everything that happens in government as if they were a king. The right thing to be debating is how we can stop this from continuing and how we can hold those resp…

As an expat in the EU, I have a surreal sense of being a bystander at an ongoing emergency scene. I don’t want to be yet another gawker as this situation is unfolding but am struggling to come up with actions that are within my power to take as a form of protest, resistance, or solidarity. What are some practical actions that we can take to resist these sweeping changes?

No Tesla, no Starlink, no Twitter. Easy, and very effective.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by jimkleiber »

scarab92 wrote: post #519
0dayz wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could have just condensed this down to: democrats bad and only their fault. Because if people in the middle can be so damn gullible to vote for a criminal who said: "I don't care about you, I only want your votes", like Trump because he promised good economy I don't know how anyone can conclude that the issue here is with democrats and not the people's lack of critical thinking. It's a bit late to correctly point…

> a criminal, lie, swindle and rig puller like Trump > voter base is stupid > facist, nazi, coup Name calling typically results in people viewing you as immature. If the left ever want to reclaim the respect of voters, they need to lose this bad habit.

I agree. Both sides need to stop calling names, but more deeply, need to see the goodness in the other side (and in ourselves).

The problem can be, someone can feel attacked even if the other person is treating them in a very kind and loving way, because they think it's fake.

On the contrary, someone could receive verbal and physical abuse and still not feel attacked because they maintain faith in their and the other person's good intentions.

So I think it's more about changing the behaviors of the person on the receiving end than on the giving end.

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