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Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by myrloc » Fri, Jan 17, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

hintymad wrote: post #525

elzbardico wrote: post #181

This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content. Until now, the closest thing we had like this were national our regional networks like Russia's vk, but Vk was never truly popular outside Russian speaking countries. Now we, for the first time ever, will have the situation where a social network has global reach but without american content. Will it…

> This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content. China has had such social networks for a long time. Their Weibo and Xiaohongshu are two prominent examples. Weibo started as a copycat of Twitter, but then beats Twitter hands-down with faster iterations, better features, and more vibrant user engagement despite the gross censorship imposed by the…

Are Weibo and Xiaohongshu used widely outside of China? Given the names alone I'd imagine their adoption is fairly limited to China.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by whycome » Fri, Jan 17, 2025, 5:49 PM UTC

elzbardico wrote: post #181

This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content. Until now, the closest thing we had like this were national our regional networks like Russia's vk, but Vk was never truly popular outside Russian speaking countries. Now we, for the first time ever, will have the situation where a social network has global reach but without american content. Will it…

How will YouTube shorts, and instagram stories pivot? They already aren’t seen as true rivals, but maybe they can change or spinoff a third brand. The gold in TR has always been its algorithm. Maybe they can fake it. How easy will it be to circumvent via vpn? Will other English content on tt skyrocket? Eg uk and Canada.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by whattheheckheck » Fri, Jan 17, 2025, 5:49 PM UTC

iLoveOncall wrote: post #384

throwaway199956 wrote: post #342

But why didn't Supreme Court find the first ammendment arguments compelling? As per first ammendment it is legal and protected to print/distribute/disseminate even enemy propaganda in the USA. Even at the height of cold war for example Soviet Publications were legal to publish, print and distribute in the USA. What changed now? Even a judge, Sotomayer said during this case that yes, the Government can say to someone…

TikTok doesn't do speech. Users on TikTok do speech. Banning TikTok doesn't prevent any users from printing / distributing / disseminating their speech. The first amendment doesn't have any provision regarding the potential reach or enablement of distribution of the speech of the people.

"You can drive anywhere you like..." as they take away the super major highways owned by foreign adversaries and leave the ones bending the knee to USA national interests.

It seems incredibly logical from a state perspective. Sucks for users who can't choose to use a major highway without it being owned by an technofeudal oligarch. That statement holds true regardless of any platform. What were those blockchain people up to again?

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by w0m » Fri, Jan 17, 2025, 5:50 PM UTC

dbl000 wrote: post #505

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I like more details/discussion; but the take in this podcast feels incredibly naive and conspiratorial; going isnofaras to blame Israeli dark money for the 'ban' while ignoring the legally mandated CCP integration w/ large companies (while claiming "i have no way to know if there is integration" despite it being easily searchable).

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by xnx » Fri, Jan 17, 2025, 5:50 PM UTC

It would be interesting to see TikTok go full scorched earth and become a mega pirate movie, music, TV, streaming sports site.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by nthingtohide » Fri, Jan 17, 2025, 5:51 PM UTC

llm_nerd wrote: post #230

briffle wrote: post #21

Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

The rational for why TikTok should be banned in the United States is precisely the same rational why Xitter, Facebook, Instagram, et al, should be banned in other countries. Meta, Musk, and others have no right or grant to operate in the EU, Canada or elsewhere. They should be banned.

US benefits from Tiktok ban. US benefits from its social media not being banned in other countries. The calculation is pretty clear to me.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by nthingtohide » Fri, Jan 17, 2025, 5:53 PM UTC

MrPapz wrote: post #511

If the youth of the rest of the world keeps using it, the US culture attention will be replaced by something else. This might be another step in the US journey of losing their role as a superpower nation to become just another country.

Your concern about losing the dominant culture status is useless. Recent geopolitical situation clearly shows soft power is useless. Hardpower is where everything is at.

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Post by switchbak » Fri, Jan 17, 2025, 5:53 PM UTC

adriand wrote: post #322

What I love is that apparently tons of Americans are signing up for a different Chinese social video app whose name is being translated as “Red Note”. I would love if the end result of this was another several years of congressional drama about a different Chinese app.

Honest question: why would an American consciously seek out multiple Chinese apps on purpose?

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by deadbabe » Fri, Jan 17, 2025, 5:55 PM UTC

xnx wrote: post #535

It would be interesting to see TikTok go full scorched earth and become a mega pirate movie, music, TV, streaming sports site.

That will never work. The TikTok audience doesn’t have the attention span to support such long form content.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by dluan » Fri, Jan 17, 2025, 5:55 PM UTC

rumors are that XHS wont region split, in which case this is setting up to a monumental event in the evolution and future of the internet. words can't really describe how big of a decision this is going to be.