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Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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> this should be a boon both for far-right and left discussion. If by left discussion you mean discussion of the genocide in Gaza, don't count on it, because this censorship is bipartisan in the United States. Zuck cares about currying favor with the powerful. He doesn't give a crap about the powerless. Also, he's pretending that Texas, the proposed site for content moderation, is not politically biased, which is lau…

> If by left discussion you mean discussion of the genocide in Gaza It’s also a right wing complaint, and they’re also silenced for bringing it up.

Everytime someone calls Biden "Left Wing", I roll my eyes. So it's quite possible that you have a different definition of Right Wing than I do.

But Trump, Fox News, and the Republicans are absolutely actively aiding the genocide and squashing dissent.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#532
post #212

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The ideological bits are: * Dana White added to the board. * "Move our trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California, and our US content review to Texas. This will help remove the concern that biased employees are overly censoring content." - like people being in Texas makes them more objective?! The actual mechanisms of running a social media network at scale are tricky and I think most of us would…

I can’t help but roll my eyes at mindless euphemisms like “attacking trans people.” There are very serious issues involving trans people with no easy answers. Like allowing minors access to irreversible treatments. Like women’s sports. Like the safety of women only spaces. I bring this up because on so many questions like these, the progressive reaction is to shut down any discussion and isolate themselves from expos…

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Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#533
post #228

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As a product decision taken independently, maybe. Running one of those things at scale with all kinds of people trying to subvert it for various reasons, including some downright evil ones, is not an easy task. Announced together with everything else and given the timing, I just can't help but think there's a political component to all of it.

Fact checking, Community Notes, whatever you want to call it, is inherently political.

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Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#534
post #212

I'd like to hear an informed take from anybody who thinks that Facebook's fact-checkers were a better product feature than Community Notes. All of the articles I'm seeing about this online are ideological, but this feels like the kind of decision that should have been in the works for multiple quarters now, given how effective Notes have been, and how comically ineffective and off-putting fact-checkers have been. The…

The ideological bits are: * Dana White added to the board. * "Move our trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California, and our US content review to Texas. This will help remove the concern that biased employees are overly censoring content." - like people being in Texas makes them more objective?! The actual mechanisms of running a social media network at scale are tricky and I think most of us would…

> The ideological bits are: ...

Should we expect Meta doing 180 degrees u-turns every 4 years when another party wins US Presidential elections?

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#535

Regardless of what you think about this step I find it disconcerting that we can now disagree on facts. For example: - whether crime is up or down - whether the earth is warming or not - how many people live in poverty - what the rate of inflation is - how much social security or healthcare costs - etc These are all verifiable, measurable facts, and yet, we somehow manage to disagree. We always used to disagree and t…

What you're talking about is statistics. Statistics are not irrefutable facts. They're data points from a report, and they are often incredibly easy to manipulate depending on how the macro is assessed. Usually it's impossible to gather stats over large, complex, chaotic populations. Instead samples are taken and applied to the whole and interpolated in-between. And in that interpolation an incredible amount of manip…

It’s much worse than that.

Every single example mentioned by the GP isn’t just a statistical measure, they measure of a wildly political (as in, defined by humans in a deeply imprecise manner) issues:

> - whether crime is up or down

Which kinds of crimes? In which political boundaries? In which reporting period? Did definitions change? Is reporting down because of ineffective policing? Is reporting up because of effective policing? That statistical games played with crime stats are criminal.

> - whether the earth is warming or not

There is a reason the phrase “global warming” went out of fashion in preference of “climate change”. Warming up how much? Over what time period? With what error bounds? Assuming which runaway processes? In which areas? Due to which causes? What are the error bounds around the sign of the change?

> - how many people live in poverty

The government literally draws a line in the sand and declares anyone below a certain income level is living in poverty. Who set the level? Why did they set it there? What is the standard of living at that income level? In which areas? How long do people live in poverty? What, if anything, prevents them from moving upward? What is there effective standard of living after government programs and charitable giving is taken into account?

> - what the rate of inflation is

This is literally defined by bureaucrats at central banks. Inflation according to which index? How were the index components chosen? How are the index components weighted? Over what time period? In which areas? Even the concept of “inflation” is highly suspect and basically incoherent.

- how much social security or healthcare costs

Over what time period? How did the demographics change? How about inflation? Where did the cash flows go and how did they net out? Which purchasing regimes were in place? How did the programs change? What was the quality of the services?

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#536
post #510

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I think both are atrocious features. It would be useful to know facts about a site or article: this is a new domain, this is a state-run outlet, etc. But other than that, how about I get to use my critical thinking to evaluate the content I access without my “betters” trying to color it first? Any day now, I’m sure Gmail will introduce a feature where Gemini will warn you that the article your grumpy uncle sent you i…

> how about I get to use my critical thinking Because no-one, including you, is an expert on everything. So there will be many topics for which you will not be able to make an informed judgement about the accuracy of the content. And on a social network centred around sharing it can be very easy for inaccuracies to spread.

> Because no-one, including you, is an expert on everything.

As I said, god forbid I forget my place and use my mind in the domain of my betters.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#537

I'd like to hear an informed take from anybody who thinks that Facebook's fact-checkers were a better product feature than Community Notes. All of the articles I'm seeing about this online are ideological, but this feels like the kind of decision that should have been in the works for multiple quarters now, given how effective Notes have been, and how comically ineffective and off-putting fact-checkers have been. The…

Generally fb has trended to worse rather than better. I already passed my personal tipping point years ago and quit fb.

Same. I deleted my account in like 2018.

Since then Marketplace has more or less destroyed Craigslist. So two months ago I tried to create an account strictly for Marketplace. My email, phone, and location have all changed since 2018. Despite verifying phone and doing the most extreme KYC step of taking a picture of myself with my ID I still could not make a new account. So maybe they should focus on that?

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#538
post #329

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> because the word for delay in French is offensive in English It's also the word for delay in English.

I've only ever seen it used to mean "delay" in occasional technical contexts, e.g. "fire retardant material", in practice it seems to be mostly a noun that means "stupid person".

Retarded timing is a common term in reference to a car’s ignition. And in biology, retarded growth is often used.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#539

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there is a huge difference between a belief and a fact. most of the discontent in today's world is this exact issue...

> there is a huge difference between a belief and a fact. What if a fact is disputed? Do you not have to choose which fact to believe? Gestalting between two disputed facts is the basis for scientific revolutions. Ptolemaic astronomers certainly had a belief that epicycles were "fact" and made every non-scientific attempt to destroy heliocentrism. Only when enough people didn't _believe_ in that "fact" did we evolve…

we choose what facts to believe.

this just might be the craziest thing I’ve read recently but given the current state of affairs not all that surprising…

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

#540
This is happening because Trump threatened to put Zuckerberg in prison for life (not an exaggeration):

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-warns-mark-zuckerberg-c...

Trump himself confirmed this today:

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lf66oltlvs2l

I cannot believe anyone would actually be okay with this situation.

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