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Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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Post by immibis »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #246
okokhacker wrote: post #223

I’m not sure why the general sentiment here is that Amazon workers do not deserve a living wage and should be replaced with robots. All the best to the union, I sincerely hope they meet your demands.

> I’m not sure why the general sentiment here is that Amazon workers do not deserve a living wage and should be replaced with robots These are two entirely unrelated issues. If the world doesn't need a particular task to be done by humans, then the task should be performed by robots. Until that happens, the workers should be treated humanely.

And crucially, we should figure out how to run society without culling unnecessary humans.

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Post by immibis »

nradov wrote: post #392
mschuster91 wrote: post #340

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Yeah, but manufacturing picked up a lot of the slack... until that went down the drain when China came, so Amazon et al picked up the slack, but now there is nothing left.

The US Navy is rebuilding to fight a war with China. There are jobs available in the shipyards, mostly unionized. It's tough work, probably harder and more dangerous than an Amazon warehouse.

If the only jobs available are to help kill more Chinese people, what does that say about our society?

Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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Post by NoZZz »

david38 wrote: post #410
nimbius wrote: post #396

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as a union diesel engine mechanic i can guarantee most, if not all these comments are complete PR. I went on strike about ten years ago to protest mandatory overtime and lack of chemical PPE. the minute we authorized the strike, we had news channels from three states covering us and a billboard up the road that demanded an end to the strike by "concerned" truckers was erected in hours. Every day I could count on at l…

I would love for astroturfing to be illegal and heavily enforced.

I dream of the day where honesty is rewarded... sigh

Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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Post by MoreMoore »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #515
MoreMoore wrote: post #503

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What's your control group? Would other online retailers fare better or worse than this? Most of the time, other online retailers are worse in my experience.

Amazon is much worse on shipping than pretty much any other online retailer. The norm is that the retailer tells you when the thing will arrive, and it arrives on time. The norm for Amazon is that they advertise a deadline they don't plan to meet, and when they slip that deadline, they alter the shipping speed displayed on your order. A long time ago I assumed that Amazon removed shipping speed options from their ord…

It's the complete opposite for me here in Germany based on recent experience ordering from Amazon and other online retailers. It almost always arrives when Amazon says it will. I literally just received a package from an Amazon courier in an Amazon truck, something that I ordered late yesterday.

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Post by aguaviva »

jiggawatts wrote: post #509
aguaviva wrote: post #504

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Either you think the CEO was an undeserving victim, or you think that only billionaires and their enforces deserve a monopoly on lethal force. Neither choice is valid, and this statement is just pure mindfuck. It is completely irrelevant what the CEO "deserved". I'm not going to condone lynching or vigilante killings in any civil context. There's no analogy with Ukraine/Russia, or any actual military conflict. You wh…

> Neither choice is valid Why not? They are the very real choices people are making. Some would argue that lethal force is always wrong, even when you're being killed for money. Sorry, sorry... allowed to die without care ... for slightly enriching people that are already very, very, very rich. Others, like the rebels in Syria, or the defenders in Ukraine, would argue otherwise. > this statement is just pure mindfuck…

If you've never seen things in this way, you should start.

I entertained that way of seeing things at one point, actually.

But I got over it in my teenage years.

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Post by devwastaken »

RavlaAlvar wrote: post #134

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmazonFC/comments/1hhips1/amazon_te... Interesting to see discussion on Reddit from r/AmazonFC are pretty negative , wonder if these are genuine employees comment for PR team hired by Amazon

almost none. its time to implement anonymous online id systems.

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Post by knowitnone »

aguaviva wrote: post #535
jiggawatts wrote: post #509

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> Neither choice is valid Why not? They are the very real choices people are making. Some would argue that lethal force is always wrong, even when you're being killed for money. Sorry, sorry... allowed to die without care ... for slightly enriching people that are already very, very, very rich. Others, like the rebels in Syria, or the defenders in Ukraine, would argue otherwise. > this statement is just pure mindfuck…

If you've never seen things in this way, you should start. I entertained that way of seeing things at one point, actually. But I got over it in my teenage years.

I'm glad you like paying into health insurance and getting no medical care

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Post by knowitnone »

sterlind wrote: post #360
webdood90 wrote: post #355

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> The vast majority of Americans deserve more money. This is pedantic but I strongly dislike when people say anyone deserves anything. I support an equitable system that allows citizens to move up in economic class (which we don't currently have) but I don't subscribe to the idea that everyone inherently deserves anything.

That puts you at odds with the tradition of natural rights. The Declaration of Independence says everyone deserves life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

its "have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", not "deserves" which is entirely different. Go to your boss and tell them you deserve a pay raise.

Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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Post by aguaviva »

knowitnone wrote: post #537
aguaviva wrote: post #535

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If you've never seen things in this way, you should start. I entertained that way of seeing things at one point, actually. But I got over it in my teenage years.

I'm glad you like paying into health insurance and getting no medical care

I'm glad you "know" what kind of medical care I've been receiving, and how much I've been paying for it.
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