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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by hnpolicestate »

tester756 wrote: post #387
brookst wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

Censorship... zzzZZZzz They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

You put zzzzzzzz like this is a nothing burger but the United States has never legally prohibited citizens from viewing news, books and information from foreign countries. It's actually new.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by Cookingboy »

Retric wrote: post #418
franczesko wrote: post #406

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"any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms" Tiktok is not banning certain topics, as other platforms do The elephant in the room, is that content on Tiktok is served algorithmicaly, so if majority of population prefer to watch brainwash content, it's due to their choice, not algorithm's

It was intentionally designed to have 15 second clips competing for attention, which is the path to brain rot. The’ve slowly increased video length, which will impact what’s on the platform over time. Also, Ticktock content is curated to fit CCP’s narrative not simply an algorithmic reflection of what its users care about.

>Ticktock content is curated to fit CCP’s narrative not simply an algorithmic reflection of what its users care about.

If you can show evidence of that you should give it to the U.S. government, because it has repeatedly said there is no evidence of such and any threat remains hypothetical.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

xnx wrote: post #36

1) Excellent way to teach millions of people about sideloading overnight. This could be a big win for Android (where sideloading is easy) vs. iPhone were sideloading is impossible (? or only possible only with an annual dev license?) 2) Will this affect apps like CapCut and Lemon8 too?

Finally, those uppity blue-bubble iToddlers get their comeuppance!

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by hnpolicestate »

Cookingboy wrote: post #522
xanderlewis wrote: post #427

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You can imagine it. But they'd be wrong. Facebook and YouTube aren't directly controlled by an enemy government, and likely aren't intending as part of their raison d'être to sow discord and chaos in China.

Holy shit do you actually work for the U.S. State Department? Reuter reported this: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covi... U.S. social media absolutely are controlled by the U.S. government, and we can, and have been able to get any user data we want from them.

Here is the dividing line rarely discussed openly. I and many other Americans truly believe the United States government and it's oligarchs are their greatest threat to American citizens. Not China, Russia, Iran etc. The latter are certainly threats but they don't have anywhere near the capacity nor desire to limit my rights like the United States does.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

professor_v wrote: post #468
flkenosad wrote: post #459

I really hate how people are arguing that it should be banned because of the content being inappropriate in one way or another when the content you see is based on how you interact with the app. We don't all see the same stuff. So yeah China may have more educational content but that's probably just becuase the people there are interested in that stuff. When I travel to the mountains, I get more outdoorsy/hiking vide…

So how do we ensure that Tiktok doesn't covertly alter the algorithm to subtly include propaganda tailored to China's geopolitical interests that are detrimental to the US? Or even just propaganda tailored to enhance internal strife to weaken the country?

As a European I have to ask the very same questions about US apps and European interests.

Even though I personally do not harbour strong suspicions towards the US, it's not a given that the US will always act favourably towards the EU, Europe as a whole, or any one particular EU country in the future. Especially in light of recent elections.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by Retric »

Cookingboy wrote: post #532
Retric wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was intentionally designed to have 15 second clips competing for attention, which is the path to brain rot. The’ve slowly increased video length, which will impact what’s on the platform over time. Also, Ticktock content is curated to fit CCP’s narrative not simply an algorithmic reflection of what its users care about.

>Ticktock content is curated to fit CCP’s narrative not simply an algorithmic reflection of what its users care about. If you can show evidence of that you should give it to the U.S. government, because it has repeatedly said there is no evidence of such and any threat remains hypothetical.

I’ve read it in a few places ex:

https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Report_-...

Not sure how creditable their research is, but I’d place it above random news articles.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by j3th9n »

Sure, just before the inauguration, Biden's last convulsion, nothing to be surprised about after for example giving some Chinese pedophile a pardon, or his son etc etc. And the next day, the 20th of January, after the inauguration, everything will be rewinded.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by Cookingboy »

tomthe wrote: post #412
epolanski wrote: post #345

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I'm sick of this being repeated over and over until it becomes true. We have had multiple studies at this point and not a single one concluded that there's any kind of particular manipulation on Tik Tok. Not one. They all conclude that the bias is not different from other platforms. HBO run a segment on the ban and goes a bit more in depth: https://youtu.be/5CZNlaeZAtw?si=-4f7Pyww-nazCrSM

I think there are pretty strong traces of pro-china manipulation on Tiktok. See https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/briefing/tiktok-ban-bill-... Content about something like Hong-Kong protests or the Tiananmen square are suppressed.

There is no evidence whatsoever presented in that paid for NCRI study.

In fact, the same result can be used to interpret as "strong traces of anti-China manipulation on American social medias".

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by hnpolicestate »

shlant wrote: post #493
HKH2 wrote: post #445

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Chinese Tiktok is forcibly wholesome (by Chinese standards). They do not believe in absolute freedom of speech. Now Americans have just conceded that they don't believe in it either. It's good that we're all on the same page now.

why does nobody know what freedom of speech is anymore...

I have the freedom to read what I want. You're telling me I don't. If you support making it impossible for me to access Tik Tok. This isn't about freedom of speech.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by libertine »

snapcaster wrote: post #488
libertine wrote: post #467

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Holy shit can you people stop with "every point that disagrees with me is a russian propaganda point" are you serious? Can you not conceive of anyone disagreeing with you in good faith without being a state actor? You're literally just declaring a specific kind of speech "not free speech" as if it's a fact and not your arbitrary opinion

I'm not sure if you meant to reply to me, but I was very clear about the point, it wasn't "every point that disagrees with me".

Unless you don't think it's relevant to point out that a specific recurring point promoted by and paid for by Russian State media, under the disguise of "conservative free speech"?[0]

[0]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/05/tim-...

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