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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by 0points »

staplung wrote: post #63

It's worth mentioning that cable breakages happen quite often; globally about 200 times per year [1] and the article itself mentions that just last year, two other cables and a gas pipeline were taken out by an anchor. The Gulf of Finland is evidently quite shallow. From what I understand, cable repair ships are likely to use ROVs for parts of repair jobs but only when the water is shallow so hopefully they can figur…

> and the article itself mentions that just last year, two other cables and a gas pipeline were taken out by an anchor

Yes, by a chinese ship that dragged around a huge anchor over the seafloor of whole baltic ocean, widley suspected to be ordered by Russia to do so.

This is in no way a reasonable argument for "shit happens".

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by theshrike79 »

sharpshadow wrote: post #221
tptacek wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe at this point we have a pretty good guess as to who sabotaged the pipeline, and it wasn't the US.

Who is we and please enlighten me.

The rest of the world who aren't mainlining Russian propaganda.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by theshrike79 »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #74
tetrisgm wrote: post #60

The constant Russian interference, combined with the regular escalation from the jets patrolling, and the radar jamming, really needs to be dealt with. We're stuck between having to do timid actions and full NATO escalation. This feels like constant creep.

I agree. Do you want to sign up and go fight in a war? Or should other people besides you die? It's easy to say it "needs to be dealt with" but it's not an easy thing to do.

Against Russia? Yes.

My grandfather did it the last time, I'm ready any day for a rematch.

For now I'm hoping that our brothers in Ukraine slap Russia hard enough to deter any invasion plans for a few more decades.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by aguaviva »

burningChrome wrote: post #373
aguaviva wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because he needed all that time (2014-2022) to build up his forces and cash reserves. Also, he needed a green light. Which was provided in the form of the chaotic Afghanistan pullout in 2021. Not that he was counting on it -- but once it went through, it seems very likely that tipped the scales in his mind in favor of deciding to actually go through with the full-scale invasion in 2022.

Its also been widely reported that when Trump first met Putin he said if he invaded Ukraine, he would turn Moscow and several other cities into a parking lot. Trump in several interviews has said he warned Putin not to do it, that he would pay a very, very heavy cost and he would see to it that he would. This is all Trump had to do. He was able to leverage the media's reporting on him that he was reckless, dangerous…

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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by nkrisc »

trhway wrote: post #424
carabiner wrote: post #420

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A disruption in communications can mean only one thing: invasion.

yes. What Russia does currently is probing and testing - what it takes to disrupt all the necessary cables simultaneously to create communication breakdown and a lot of chaos, what resources and time it takes to repair (and thus planning the options on blocking those repair resources, etc.) It takes tanks half-a-day to cross the Baltic states to reach the sea. That is the time Russia wants to buy. Once Russian forces…

This would be more concerning if Russia had any tanks left.

Are you suggesting Russia has a full invasion force they’re not using in Ukraine? Or to liberate their own occupied territory?

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by libertine »

tmnvix wrote: post #289
libertine wrote: post #288

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At one time I believed Russia was responsible for sabotaging Nordstream. That was presented as the 'probable' and even 'obvious' conclusion. I no longer believe that.

To clarify your point, now you think it was also Joe Biden's "bad actors puppeteers" mystical figures who did it?

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Post by jajko »

chikere232 wrote: post #509
ashoeafoot wrote: post #434

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again (we in the eastern part have very fond memories of russian oppression and enslavement of whole eastern block, shooting people on the streets and on the borders for the heinous crime of wanting to escape that communist paradise... thats why baltics, Finland or Poland have rather strong military, while slovakia and hungary have highly corrupt governments that only fear what democracy brings so they lean east for protection)

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by stoperaticless »

Etheryte wrote: post #242
staplung wrote: post #63

It's worth mentioning that cable breakages happen quite often; globally about 200 times per year [1] and the article itself mentions that just last year, two other cables and a gas pipeline were taken out by an anchor. The Gulf of Finland is evidently quite shallow. From what I understand, cable repair ships are likely to use ROVs for parts of repair jobs but only when the water is shallow so hopefully they can figur…

This is a misleading framing. The two cables last year were not taken out by an anchor as an accident, it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable. In other words, sabotage. There's no point in trying to color any of this with rose tinted glasses when it's clear who's done it and why.

Well, you never know 100%. There is a small (really small) chance it was an accident. Just like there is a small chance that Al Capone was innocent man.

(But really, it clearly has “Russia” written all over it)

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