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Trump wins presidency for second time

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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by markus_zhang »

cultureswitch wrote: post #521

It's getting sort of ridiculous how much each party is stuck in an electoral strategy where they have to pretend to be on one side of an issue which is objectively against the interests of the people they pretend to be representing. Dems have to appear to be pro-immigration for reasons (honestly I don't know why this is like this, historically). They are genuinely less xenophobic than the Reps, so they respect the ri…

From an outsider's view (and many of my friends hold the same view), the two parties are not that different. They are different in some minor issues that grab eyeballs so that to create drama, but for the big ones (foreign policy, economics), they are not that different. I mean look at those bi-partisan issues, they are all big ones.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by purple_ferret »

m4r1k wrote: post #313

the biggest problem is the climate. with trump winning, most/all of the climate policies will be revered irreparably damaging our planet bringing us to the brink of extinction. ofc it won't be all trump fault, current trends are gloomy enough yet those are the very last few years to actually do something..

States like New York and California can become Carbon Negative on their own if they wanted to.

The Federal government is not needed for liberals to take the lead on this, but the mediocre center left Democrats who run everything in Blue States refuse to lift a finger.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by dopamean »

m4r1k wrote: post #313

the biggest problem is the climate. with trump winning, most/all of the climate policies will be revered irreparably damaging our planet bringing us to the brink of extinction. ofc it won't be all trump fault, current trends are gloomy enough yet those are the very last few years to actually do something..

I was of the impression that US contribution to global emissions was relatively low for our population size and per capita energy usage thus making domestic climate change policy relatively small potatoes. Is that not true? Is there more to it than that?

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Post by dionian »

m4r1k wrote: post #313

the biggest problem is the climate. with trump winning, most/all of the climate policies will be revered irreparably damaging our planet bringing us to the brink of extinction. ofc it won't be all trump fault, current trends are gloomy enough yet those are the very last few years to actually do something..

Really? Are you still buying all your stuff from China where they are standing up new coal plants every day? Just because the pollution doesn't happen here doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by game_the0ry »

m4r1k wrote: post #313

the biggest problem is the climate. with trump winning, most/all of the climate policies will be revered irreparably damaging our planet bringing us to the brink of extinction. ofc it won't be all trump fault, current trends are gloomy enough yet those are the very last few years to actually do something..

Its increasingly difficult for me to believe that climate change is a critical issue when the attendees of World Economic Forum + Al Gore + Bill Gates + Leanardo Dicaprio all fly around in private jets while lecturing me on why i should be not be eating meat.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by dkarl »

goethes_kind wrote: post #165

From a game theoretical perspective this is a good result. It is a clear reiteration of the message to the Democrats: you won't win by claiming to be 0.1% less bad. The Democrats should have fielded a strong personality in their own right. This is not about left or right. It's about mobilizing people by giving them something to care about. "More of the same" and "not like that guy" isn't very enticing. I don't think…

This is a terrible take. Everyone wants to believe that this result will vindicate their pet peeve about the Democrats.

A lot of people want this loss to prove that Democrats should have been stronger on Gaza.

A lot of people want this loss to prove that Democrats should have rejected identity politics.

And there's a long tail of other things that people think a Democratic loss will push the Democrats towards: protectionism, isolationism, socialism, etc.

The Democrats are going to lick their wounds, crunch the numbers, and probably move towards Trump on economics. Or something else. 95% of people who are hoping that the Democrats are going to suddenly see the light on their pet issue are going to be disappointed. They aren't going to go hard left on Gaza. They aren't going to go hard right on identity politics. The loss is going to cause a whole bunch of damage, and we're going to get very little if any long-term benefit to weigh against it.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by HumblyTossed »

goethes_kind wrote: post #165

From a game theoretical perspective this is a good result. It is a clear reiteration of the message to the Democrats: you won't win by claiming to be 0.1% less bad. The Democrats should have fielded a strong personality in their own right. This is not about left or right. It's about mobilizing people by giving them something to care about. "More of the same" and "not like that guy" isn't very enticing. I don't think…

> I don't think the policy positions even matter that much,

Right. The misogynists won. There are simply too many people in this country who don't want a woman President.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by markus_zhang »

nazgulsenpai wrote: post #382

Wouldn't it be amazing if we had a viable third party? I can dream, can't I?

I have always thought that it would be interesting to see an "Ordinary people party" that focuses on the silent majority, held by someone who never wants to be the president but loves to hold a percentage as a bargaining chip.
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