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Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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I stand corrected, that's incredible. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu_benchmark-cinebench_r23_si... https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

I don’t see the M4 on any of these charts

Why would that be necessary to prove the series has top performance?

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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Switch to M4 Max 16-core CPU, it will unlock 64 and 128GB options for memory.

Mac minis aren't available with set up - seems only macbook pro?

There are no Mac mini SKUs with M4 Max CPUs. Only base M4 and M4 Pro.

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Funny that we can buy renewed Intel Macs for less than $200 and do exactly the same.

Where can you get Intel Macs for $200?

Amazon. Search for "renewed".

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My best Apple purchases in 20 years of being their customer: The Macbook M1 Pro 16 inch and the Pro Display XDR. When Steve Jobs died I really thought Apple was done, but their most flawless products (imho) came much later.

What do you like about the Pro Display XDR?

With 6k I can have both vscode and the website I'm working on in one display, while still having lots of vertical space and no noticeable pixels. I tried using 2 4k screen next to each other among other things, but nothing works ergonomically as good as this.

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It doesn't need (unless it does in some cases), but entire build process needs to be aware of what needs to be native and what doesn't. Mainly a lot of issue would come from linker. Yes, it's not part of the compilation technically, but aside from hellworld.c everything you build would probably require linker at one point or another. Then there are some gcc quirks: - for gcc compilation target is defined when gcc is…

How about Xcode's LLVM on an Intel Mac building for ARM iOS?

Two things here:

- clang and LLVM don't have that GCC quirk (LLVM support less platforms, so give gcc some credit)

- it was in apple's financial interest make sure their things are easy to cross-compile.

- linker job is extremely straighforward in case of iOS

   - everything is provided by either apple or application developer

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Those MacBooks were designed when Intel was promising new, more efficient chips and they didn’t materialize. Apple was forced to use the older and hotter chips. It was not a good combination.

Another factor might be that Intel MacBook Pros got thinner and thinner. The M1 MBP was quite a bit thicker than its Intel predecessors, and I think the form factor has remained the same since then.

The 2012-2015 MBPs were slimmer than the previous unibodies but a lot of that was due to dropping the optical and spinning hard drives. The thermals were not a particular problem. Where that did become a problem was with the 2016 redesign that introduces the wedge-shaped case. The design of that would have been locked in 2-3 years earlier. From what I have read, when the case designs were being worked on Intel was promising Apple that their next generation of chips would be on a smaller processor node and would run cooler so that defined the thermal envelope of the new MBPs. Unfortunately, as we all saw, Intel’s production stalled for 5-6 years and the only chips they could produce were power hungry and hot. That caused problems for those thinner MBPs.

Apple seems to have taken that to heart when they designed the cases for the Apple Silicon MBPs and those have excellent cooling (and more ports).

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You got it all wrong. It was developed for Macs first because Microsoft is in the business of selling software and Windows wasn't such a big thing back then, in fact it barely existed as Windows, it was mostly MS-DOS still. Microsoft definitely didn't buy something they created themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Excel#Early_history

Oh. I got the Mac part right but not who made it. It looks like I was conflating it with PowerPoint, which was Mac first and made by a 3rd party MS bought. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PowerPoint

Ah yes that's right.

PowerPoint appearing first on Macs is not surprising because historically Macs have been focused on DTP applications, and were much more powerful for that (still true this day). It took quite a while for Windows to be comparatively capable, I think this is why Microsoft bought PowerPoint, to make up for it. Hilariously today PowerPoint is considered to be worse than Keynote, some things never change...

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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All I want is a top of the line MBP, with all it’s performance and insane battery life, but running a Linux distro of my choice :(

These things are so fast that you can run a virtual Linux without even noticing performance issues.

I literally tried that few days a go, what you're saying is not true.

Compiling Linux:

AMD 6800HS, ~4mins.

Apple M1 Pro, Linux VM, ~10 mins.

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It has to be at least 50 times the speed of a fast m68030 ;)

There's a 20x spread in Speedometer results on OpenBenchmarking, just including modern Intel Core CPUs, so yeah I would not be surprised if an M4 outran a 68030 by anywhere from 50x to 1000x

I'm getting the impression that we're not talking about this Speedometer 3:

https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/speedometer-3x

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M3 Pro user here, agree with the same points. It's nice to be able to actually have your laptop on your lap, without burning your legs.

ARM processors have always been good at handling heat and low power (like AWS Graviton), but what laptop did you have before that would overheat that much during normal usage? That seems like a very poor design.

> but what laptop did you have before that would overheat that much during normal usage?

That's pretty much all Intel laptops I've owned since 2007.

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