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Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by interludead »

mpweiher wrote: post #461
hollowpython wrote: post #446

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Do you really do this, and is striking out a line of a contract binding?

Yes, I really do this. Have done since I started working. At one of my first jobs as a student employee they offered me a salary X. In the contract there was some lower number Y. When I pointed this out, they said "X includes the bonus. It's not in the contract but we've never not paid it". OK, if this is really guaranteed, you can make that the salary and put it in writing. They did, my salary was X and that year wa…

I’m the kind of person for whom it would be hard to say it directly. You’re awesome.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by interludead »

cyrillite wrote: post #489
ungreased0675 wrote: post #325

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Anytime someone tried to get me to sign a terrible contract, they always said “This is just standard stuff.”

“This is just standard stuff” belongs in a category of phrases like “this is perfectly legal”.

...you can trust me with it"

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by warcher »

EMM_386 wrote: post #402
warcher wrote: post #202

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Delete early, delete often. Never keep an old Reddit account around. I torch mine and build anew every year just out of principle.

I honestly have given up in this battle. I'm curious, what do you think deleting accounts and starting new is going to do? They'll just link it all together another way.

they can.

you can’t.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by interludead »

asveikau wrote: post #301
tedivm wrote: post #6

If this really was a mistake the easiest way to deal with it would be to release people from their non disparagement agreements that were only signed by leaving employees under the duress of losing their vested equity. It's really easy to make people whole for this, so whether that happens or not is the difference between the apologies being real or just them just backpedaling because employees got upset. Edit: Looks…

The right thing would be to not try to put that clause in there to begin with, not release employees from it when they get caught.

Meant to write the same thing. Agree but at least it is known now

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by interludead »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #460
gdiamos wrote: post #453

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Why is AI so dramatic? I just watched mean girls and this is worse.

Money. The hype is really strong, the hype might even be justified, insane amounts of money flow in. There is a land grab going on. Blood is in the water, all the sharks are circling.

Money is the root of all evil...

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Post by srockets »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #492
srockets wrote: post #193

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A 90 days exercise window is standard (and there are tax implications as well in play). OpenAI is different: they don’t grant options, but “Units” that are more like RSUs.

Don’t those come with bad tax implications then? The point of options is to give ownership without immediate financial burden for the employee.

It depends on the details.

Often RSUs in non public companies come with a double trigger: you need both the vest to happen and a liquidity to happen for the actual delivery of those, so no tax implications until a liquidity event (afaik. But don’t take tax advice from randos on the internet).

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Post by srockets »

dartos wrote: post #501
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #492

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Don’t those come with bad tax implications then? The point of options is to give ownership without immediate financial burden for the employee.

You pay normal tax on them when you sell after holding for 1 year, but an increased tax if you sell within that year.

That’s not completely accurate.

In the US, equity given as compensation for work could be taxed as wages, or, under certain circumstances, as capital gains.

The one year is for some capital gains to get considered long term gains, which may be taxed at a lower marginal rate than regular wages.

In other words, if you are granted equity as compensation, go talk at length to a tax professional to get an understanding of the taxation of it.

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Post by m463 »

redbell wrote: post #451

The amount [and scale] of practices, chaos and controversies caused by OpenAI since ChatGPT was released are "on par" with the powerful products it has built since.. in a negative way! These are the hottest controversial events so far , in a chronological order: OpenAI's deviation from its original mission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981). The Altman's Saga (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3830961…

I think it's to the point that a book deal or expose might be more profitable than the lost equity.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by tim333 »

redbell wrote: post #451

The amount [and scale] of practices, chaos and controversies caused by OpenAI since ChatGPT was released are "on par" with the powerful products it has built since.. in a negative way! These are the hottest controversial events so far , in a chronological order: OpenAI's deviation from its original mission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981). The Altman's Saga (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3830961…

And of course Scarlett which is beating Musk in votes and comments (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421225)

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Post by beepbooptheory »

mrguyorama wrote: post #529
beepbooptheory wrote: post #229

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I really don't care about the "algorithm" here. I think this place is distinguished nicely by the fact that I almost never know how much karma a post or user has. If it was in fact a total dictatorship of a few, posing as some democratic reddit thing, who cares? I'm OK as it is, and these things don't last forever anyway. All you can really do on the internet is ride the waves of synchronicity where the community and…

>I think this place is distinguished nicely by the fact that I almost never know how much karma a post or user has. Did you know that people who have been involved with Y Combinator who make an account on HN can see everyone else who has been a part of Y Combinator? Their usernames are highlighted a different color. It's a literal secret club that they rarely acknowledge.

Sure ok! What is at stake with this?

In my experience, founders need all the help they can get making friends, I'm glad they have a little club!

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