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Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by DeathArrow »

isoprophlex wrote: post #124

Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. There's the AI code assistant thing that github actually started, there's the horrible chatbot maker GUI demoware, there's AI stuff you might be able to do with your sharepoint (if only you could get hold of the right ms sales rep to take your money), there's an app that does genai things on your personal MS account... And now there's a Surface rebrand? That org chart…

They could have learned something from Apple. iBrain, iBrain Pro, iBrain Pro Plus, iBrain Ultra, iBrain Ultra Max.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by Elfener »

isoprophlex wrote: post #124

Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. There's the AI code assistant thing that github actually started, there's the horrible chatbot maker GUI demoware, there's AI stuff you might be able to do with your sharepoint (if only you could get hold of the right ms sales rep to take your money), there's an app that does genai things on your personal MS account... And now there's a Surface rebrand? That org chart…

Copilot is also the name of a windows (and presumably xbox console) feature that allows you to combine multiple controllers and have them show up as one device.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by sexy_seedbox »

ericswpark wrote: post #466
bambax wrote: post #272

> We set out to solve one of the most frustrating problems we encounter daily – finding something we know we have seen before on our PC. Today, we must remember what file folder it was stored in, what website it was on, or scroll through hundreds of emails trying to find it. It is indeed frustrating that one still cannot search effectively a local device, but it doesn't need AI to solve. It needs a proper search engi…

They had a perfectly working search box in Windows 7, then gutted it and made it search the web whenever you wanted to launch Notepad.

> and made it search the web...

How else would they trick you into opening and using Edge, the best web browser in the whole wide world?

/s

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by cjk2 »

walterbell wrote: post #440
cjk2 wrote: post #143

If the following does not happen in 2 years I will eat my hat: They will have performance problems. They will have compatibility problems. They will have poor repairability and zero repair network and support. The software will be abandoned and completely useless within 18 months. They will fail very early but just outside a standard 1 year warranty. This will be a lot of e-waste. Regulatory or national bodies will s…

Does this prediction also apply to the HP, Dell and Lenovo devices with Qualcomm Oryon / Snapdragon X?

Yes. All of them. There has been a massive race to the bottom recently.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by ZeroWidthJoiner »

CharlesW wrote: post #161
delusional wrote: post #18

The AI is the least interesting part of this announcement. Microsoft is giving ARM another try with a special branding that's supposed to guarantee some level of performance and quality. That's possibly huge news.

> Microsoft is giving ARM another try with a special branding that's supposed to guarantee some level of performance and quality. I hope so. I've been a happy Windows for Arm user (via Parallels on Apple Silicon) for a year+ and it's been good. Based on that, I think drivers are going to be the biggest PITA for ARM-based PC users for the first couple years — for example, Google Drive doesn't work for that reason.

> I think drivers are going to be the biggest PITA for ARM-based PC users for the first couple years — for example, Google Drive doesn't work for that reason.

Google Drive does ship with Arm64 drivers, and patching the platform check out of the installer gets them installed just fine (40 84 f6 74 08 -> 40 84 f6 90 90).

No idea why they're blocking the install.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by pjmlp »

jsheard wrote: post #83
nerdjon wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is my question though, comparing how this works on Mac. Will Windows have the opposite? ARM running on x86? I continue to wonder how Microsoft expects to work long term. Are they expecting that every developer is just going to keep x86 and ARM based app perpetually or users be stuck always using that emulation layer if they are running ARM? Microsoft won't be able to 100% transition to ARM like Mac did. At some…

I think the official line from Microsoft would be that most software should be using .NET anyway, and in that case the same binary should Just Work on either architecture. In reality there is still a lot of native software though, so who knows how that will play out. Games in particular will always be native.

Not really, plenty of Windows workloads are still about C++, in-proc COM and user space drivers, do require C++.

Not that WinUI really matters after all the mess WinRT/UWP went through, but it is basically C++ COM/WinRT with .NET bindings.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by kasabali »

fassssst wrote: post #282
bambax wrote: post #272

> We set out to solve one of the most frustrating problems we encounter daily – finding something we know we have seen before on our PC. Today, we must remember what file folder it was stored in, what website it was on, or scroll through hundreds of emails trying to find it. It is indeed frustrating that one still cannot search effectively a local device, but it doesn't need AI to solve. It needs a proper search engi…

Search engines use language models.

For a long time they didn't, and they'd worked better than ever.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by rldjbpin »

personally i am not all that excited with their hardware prospects, but am curious about all the "optimizations" they did at the OS level.

if they are real, can they bother trickling that in the x86 builds, pretty please?

i feel they are at the crossroads for supporting legacy, decade-old stuff with an architecture switch. i wonder if they are compromising on all that for the ARM variant.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by vadersb »

dymk wrote: post #464
shmerl wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, as a desktop operating system. Nothing else respects privacy really that would require less time. Or may be you have a suggestion?

How does macOS not respect your privacy? Be specific.

https://www.macrumors.com/2024/05/17/ios-17-5-bug-wiped-devi...

It is only possible for photos to resurface because they were stored in iCloud for months or maybe years essentially in spite of user intention for those photos to be deleted.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by eilefsen »

dymk wrote: post #292
shmerl wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy oriented users are already using Linux.

As a desktop operating sytem? Not the ones that value their time.

would you say windows respects the users time?

that's just not my experience. linux is far more convenient for me.

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