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Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by notemaker »

initplus wrote: post #254
notemaker wrote: post #73

With risk of being spammy, this is probably the most relevant discussion I've seen so far on HN w.r.t my experience of being locked out from my Apple ID. I hope legislation will force Apple to step up and be more transparent / helpful. https://skogsbrus.xyz/dont-put-all-your-apples-in-one-basket...

Don’t want to sound like I’m victim blaming the author. But I can tell you exactly the issue with their account: registering with an email on a self hosted .xyz domain. Using sketchy tld’s is just asking for this kind of trouble. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28554400

FWIW, it's not self hosted. I use Fastmail. Thanks for the link about .xyz though, I was not aware it is associated with spam.

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Post by anticensor »

Teever wrote: post #389
dinckelman wrote: post #151

So i'm not the only one, huh. Got myself an iPhone, downloaded 2 apps, went to bed, woke up to a complete lockout. They unblocked me through a phone support request, after 18 hours, and then hit me with a fresh ban, not even 24 hours later. Account got permabanned after like 5 more calls, where they just started sending me a legal notice instead. The fact that your device can become a complete brick, because of an is…

Class actions just make lawyers rich. A real way to hit these kinds of companies selling defective products is to coordinate simultaneous small claims courts cases around the world.

In most of the world, the reach of small claims systems are far more limited than in the US.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by ornornor »

Fatnino wrote: post #530
ornornor wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lenovo has been tarnishing the think pad brand for several years now, pushing plastic junk that also has the thinkpad branding. It’s not enough to stick to thinkpad anymore, which thinkpad matters. Ditto HP. Their machines are… not great to operate on (from a maintenance perspective), their hardware maintenance manuals are much lower quality than they used to be… Only dell latitude hasn’t disappointed me yet, and I f…

Is framework a reasonable port in this storm? I haven't done any deep research into my next laptop yet. My ThinkPad x220 is still going strong but it is getting long of tooth.

> framework

Can’t tell you, they refuse to ship or honor warranties to the country I live in at the moment.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by prmoustache »

Fatnino wrote: post #530
ornornor wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lenovo has been tarnishing the think pad brand for several years now, pushing plastic junk that also has the thinkpad branding. It’s not enough to stick to thinkpad anymore, which thinkpad matters. Ditto HP. Their machines are… not great to operate on (from a maintenance perspective), their hardware maintenance manuals are much lower quality than they used to be… Only dell latitude hasn’t disappointed me yet, and I f…

Is framework a reasonable port in this storm? I haven't done any deep research into my next laptop yet. My ThinkPad x220 is still going strong but it is getting long of tooth.

I would say parts for any thinkpad model are easier to find than framework ones. And it applies worldwide.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by lanstin »

CydeWeys wrote: post #349
EasyMark wrote: post #327

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If you use your own domain, open source software, and backup often they can't lock you up forever like Google/Microsoft/Apple tho

You're missing my point that you're still beholden to the domain name registrar that manages your domain name on your behalf. That account getting permanently locked out will have all the same bad consequences for your online life as your Google account getting locked out. And keep in mind that being a domain name registrar is a low margin business (typically they're only grossing a few bucks per domain per year, bef…

I host my own email service and several times have had the registrars get sold and once sold and then the purchasing registry discontinued the registry service, or maybe the secondary DNS. They generally have support that at least understands how DNS works, which I find surprisingly rare among tech folks.

However the big problem is I am frequently banned from emailing gmail or office365. Never Apple for some reason. So I can read email but I can’t that well send it. But I don’t really care much, mostly people have to tell me out of band to check my email if they have sent me email. My email sessions are mostly a review of current spam practices and questionable emails from firms I have done business with.

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Post by account42 »

CydeWeys wrote: post #315
layer8 wrote: post #207

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Don't bind your online identity to Apple or Google or Microsoft, in particular not the email addresses you use for accounts. That at least limits the damage they can do.

Fundamentally it's going to be be bound to someone though. If you run your own domain to host your main email address, you're now bound to the registrar's login to manage that domain name, and also the cloud provider you're using to host the mail services (unless you run that off a machine you have physical access to).

Registrars are beholden to the registry and ultimately to ICANN rules (for classic TLDs at least. They can't just fuck you over whenever they feel like in the same way that Google/Microsoft/Apple can with their services.

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Post by m463 »

Teever wrote: post #389
dinckelman wrote: post #151

So i'm not the only one, huh. Got myself an iPhone, downloaded 2 apps, went to bed, woke up to a complete lockout. They unblocked me through a phone support request, after 18 hours, and then hit me with a fresh ban, not even 24 hours later. Account got permabanned after like 5 more calls, where they just started sending me a legal notice instead. The fact that your device can become a complete brick, because of an is…

Class actions just make lawyers rich. A real way to hit these kinds of companies selling defective products is to coordinate simultaneous small claims courts cases around the world.

but don't they have a real effect on the company?

I mean, yes each claimant gets 0.53 cents (applied to their next purchase), but don't the sued companies still shell out millions?

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Post by [deleted] »

kcplate wrote: post #527
goosedragons wrote: post #453

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No. Those other laptops WOULDN'T be dead. They WOULDN'T be dented either. ThinkPads from that era had a maganisum alloy frame. They are hella rigid but the plastic shell gives enough bouce so they don't dent when dropped. And macOS software support is awful. It's completely random and up to the whims of Apple with some models getting only 6 or 7 years support if you bought at launch.

As someone who used to manage a tech support department with a bunch of Dell and Lenovos for a large traveling sales team, I can assure you that they are not “hella rigid” and definitely will die and break when dropped from waist height. Meanwhile I just disposed last year a 2008 MBP with a swollen battery and cracked case that I used daily as a secondary device on my desk (for about the last 7 years) until day I dec…

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Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by initplus »

beeboobaa3 wrote: post #337
initplus wrote: post #332

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Issue isn’t self hosting email, it’s self hosting it at .xyz. They had one of the cheapest registration costs. And so ended up with a high concentration of spammers compared to older established tld’s like dot com. Using the tld for legitimate purposes is really challenging due to the high number of systems that flat out blacklist it.

Making assumptions on someone's right to communicate based on their choice of email domain is discrimination, and only serves to drive people to their walled gardens.

I'm not the one making assumptions, it's thousands of independent hosts, and all big tech orgs (including specifically Apple in this case) who are making that assumption. I didn't say the assumption was right, just that it's trivial to avoid falling afoul of it by choosing to use a different TLD.

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Post by talldayo »

pmarreck wrote: post #485
talldayo wrote: post #439

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Sounds like the same shtick I heard from Windows 8 apologists in the past. "Yes, yes, Microsoft is a ghoulish company; but look at how my laptop connects to my Xbox!" Apple's whole premium marketing shtick feels gone. Not only has the halo-effect worn off now that everyone owns an iPhone, but they're portioning up their own operating system to endless service integration and nonsense software offerings. Who the hell…

I can’t hear you over the 140 photos of my son I am airdropping to my sister at full resolution and way faster than they would be made available to her in any other fashion But again, I am a Linux fan (NixOS actually), despite it sucking ass in the user department

Bluetooth wireless file transfer... you are forgotten.
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