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If you ask me, this is 100% applicable in this case, so I wonder what a judge would rule.
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The agenda is simply to have a discussion forum that doesn't suck, and in particular that doesn't regress to the internet mean.
I genuinely love this site to be clear and appreciate all the work that you do around here - but the agenda of the site is to service Y Combinator Management, LLC.
Trying to make HN as good as possible has many aspects, but one of them is the attempt to keep discussions at least a little more substantive than the level they would normally degenerate to without effort, and that means avoiding flamewar comments, fulmination, etc., as described in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
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Many artists don’t even go to art school. And those that do, do not spend most (all) of that time learning how to copy or imitate other artists.
I’m not expressing an opinion of whether GenAI is unethical or illegal - I think that’s a really difficult issue to wrestle with - just that this argument is a post-hoc rationalisation made in ignorance of how good artists work (not to say ignorance of the difference between illustration and art, conceptual art training vs say a foundation course etc).
Long-term I think the real problem for artists will be corporations generating their own high quality targeted datasets from a cheap labor pool, completely outcompeting them by a landslide.
It will democratize art.
The poorest people have historically produced great art. Training a model, however? Expensive. Running it locally? Expensive. Paying the sub? Expensive.
Nothing is being democratized, the only thing this does is devaluing the blood and sweat people have put into their work so FAANG can sell it to lazy suckers.
Huge market for snake oil here. There is no way that such tools will ever win, given the requirements the art remain viewable to human perception, so even if you made something that worked (which this sounds like it doesn’t) from first principles it will be worked around immediately. The only real way for artists or anyone really to try to hold back models from training on human outputs is through the law, ie, levera…
This is the hard reality. There is no putting this genie back in the bottle. The only way to be an artist now is to have a unique style of your own, and to never make it online.
So then of course, you also cannot sell your work, as those might put it online. And you cannot show your art to big crowds, as some will make pictures and put it online. So ... you can become a literal underground artists, where only some may see your work. I think only some will like that.
But I actually disagree, there are plenty of ways to be an artist now - but most should probably think about including AI as a tool, if they still want to make money. But with the exception of some superstars, most artists are famously low on money - and AI did not introduce this. (all the professional artists I know, those who went to art school - do not make their income with their art)
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The level of claims accompanied by enthusiastic reception from a technically illiterate audience make it sound, smell, and sound like snake oil without much deep investigation. There is another alternative to the law. Provide your art for private viewing only, and ensure your in person audience does not bring recording devices with them. That may sound absurd, but it's a common practice during activities like having…
The thing is people want the benefits of having their stuff public but not bear the costs. Scraping has been mostly a solved problem especially when it comes to broad crawling. Put it under a login, there, no more AI "stealing" your work.
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The animation when you change images makes it harder to see the difference, I opened the three images each in its own tab and the differences are more apparent when you change between each other instantly.
But that’s not realistic? If you have to have both and instantly toggle between them to notice the difference, then it sounds like it’s doing its job well and is hard to notice the difference.