Live data from Hacker News

The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

aftermath.site

531–540 of 611 posts

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

#531
post #5

Never thought I'd say this, but in times like these, with clearnet in such dire straits, all the information siloed away inside Discord doesn't seem like such a bad thing. Remaining unindexable by search engines all but guarantees you'll never appear alongside AI slop or be used as training data. The future of the Internet truly is people - the machines can no longer be trusted to perform even the basic tasks they on…

they will sell. the big guys are gobbling up _anything_ they can get their hands on.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

#532

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the camp where I want AI and automation to free people from drudgery in the hope that it will encourage the biggest HUMAN artwork renaissance ever in history. I don't want AI to be at the forefront of all new media and artwork. That's a terrible outcome to me. And honestly there's already too much "content" in the world and being produced every day, and it seems like every time we step further up the "content…

> free people from drudgery in the hope that it will encourage the biggest HUMAN artwork renaissance ever in history. This experiment has been run in most wealthy nations and the artwork renaissance didn't happen. Most older people don't do arts/sciences when they retire from work. From what I see of younger people that no longer have to work (for whatever reason) neither do younger people become artists given the op…

You don’t want older folks to generate reams of good art for consumption. Let the youngsters who need to make money do that. And many artistically-oriented youngsters do create art in their off hours from work, at least out here. I don’t think they think of it as “production” though. Why does a bird sing?

What retirees often do, rather, is develop an artist’s eye for images, a musician’s ear for sounds, a philosopher’s perspective, a writer’s voice, etc.. This often involve a broader exposure/consumption of arts and studying art history. Sometimes producing actual art as well…but less for the final artistic product but instead to engage in the artistic process itself so as to develop that way of seeing/feeling/being an artist has. When the work-related chunk of the mind is wholly freed up for other pursuits, there is often such a bit-flip. And since it is a deepening appreciation and greater consumption, there is no risk of overproduction of art and the soul devolution that arises from hyper competitiveness in the marketplace.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

#533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you prompt LLMs to use poor spelling and grammar, they will.

But can they do it convincingly?

if you've been on the internet forums for 20 years, you'll discover that real life user's spelling mistakes are borderline unconvincing :/

so in that way the llm has a very low bar...

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

#534

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, there's this weird stigma about making typos, but in the end writing online is about communication and making yourself understandable. Typos here and there don't make a difference and thinking otherwise seems like some needless "intellectual" superiority competition. Growing up people associate it with intelligence so many times, it's hard to not feel ashamed when making typos.

> Growing up people associate it with intelligence so many times, it's hard to not feel ashamed when making typos. I mean, maybe you should? Like... everything has a spell checker now. The browser I'm typing this comment in, in a textarea input with ZERO features (not a complaint HN, just an observation, simple is good) has a functioning spellcheck that has already flagged for me like 6 errors, most of which I have g…

It's the meaning that matters, not the order of characters, words or letters. If the characters and words are in such order that the content is understandable, why should spelling matter? If anything, 2 people with equal amount of time, and a person who doesn't spend time on trivial typos would be able to write more meaningful content within that time.

Of course, if you do have automated systems setup to correct everything, then by any means, use them.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

#535
post #201

The way out is authenticity. Signed content is the only way to get that. You can't take anything at face value. It might be generated, forged, et. When anyone can publish anything and when anyone is outnumbered by AIs publishing even more things, the only way to filter that is by relying on reputation and authenticity so you can know who published what and what else they are saying. Web of trust has of course been tr…

> Signed content is the only way to get that. This does nothing to guarantee that the content was written or edited by a human. Because of the risk of key theft, it doesn't even guarantee that it was published by the human who signed it. It is physically, philosophically, and technically impossible to verify the authenticity of digital content. At the boundary between the analog world and the digital world, you can a…

Your home internet and your cellular provider can “attest” you make a monthly payment - right now, the scarcity of ipv4 and cell phone numbers often serve this purpose. A government agency or bank can attest you’re a real person. A hardware manufacturer can attest you purchased a device. A PGP style web-of-trust can show other people, who also own scarce resources and they may trust indirectly, also think you’re real.

Blockchain may be largely over-hyped, but from this bubble I think important research in zero-knowledge proofs and trust-less systems will one day lead to a solution to this that is private and decentralized, rather than fully trackable and run by mega-corps.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

#536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think regulation will achieve what they want. Nothing short of a war-on-drugs style blanket prohibition would work. And you can look there to see how ineffective that's been at keeping drugs off the streets.

Another example of this behavior. The war on drugs not working didn't stop alcohol companies from lobbying for it, any effect that suppresses compition is valuable and its not like OpenAI and the like will be paying for enforcement, you will be.

I'd be very, very surprised if OpenAI was successful in setting up a war-on-drugs style regime that simultaneously sets them up as one of the soul providers of AI (a guaranteed monopoly on AI in the US). One of the big reasons is that it would put the US at an extreme disadvantage, competitively speaking. OpenAI would not be able to hire every single AI developer, so all of that talent would leave the US for greener pastures.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

#537
post #424
post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is an interesting thought. Maybe the problem is not the ai generated useless noise, but that it is so easy and cheap to publish it. One possible future is going back to a medium with higher cost of publication. Books. Handchiseled stone tablets. Offering information costs something.

> One possible future is going back to a medium with higher cost of publication. Books Honestly I’ve switched to books and papers a few years ago and it has been fantastic. 2 hours of reading a half decent book or paper outweighs a week of reading the best blogposts, twitter threads, or YouTube videos.

Do you have a favorite source for papers?

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

#538

One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

I rely on the stilted style of Chinese product descriptions on Amazon to avoid cheap knockoffs. Why do these products use weird bullet lists of features like "will bring you into a magical world"? Once you LLM these into normal human speak it will be much harder to identify the imports. https://www.amazon.com/CFMOUR-Original-Smooth-Carbon-KB8888T

It's already 404-ing.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

#539
post #537
post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One possible future is going back to a medium with higher cost of publication. Books Honestly I’ve switched to books and papers a few years ago and it has been fantastic. 2 hours of reading a half decent book or paper outweighs a week of reading the best blogposts, twitter threads, or YouTube videos.

Do you have a favorite source for papers?

HN surfaces a lot of good ones. Sometimes friends recommend stuff. Or I search for things I'm interested in.

Then once you have a hook into your topic, it usually cites 30+ other papers that may be worth reading. You will never run out.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

#540
post #93

The post google uses for the feature snippet for the search “best place to fly drones in sf” appears to be misleading inane useless dogshit. What I’m not sure is whether it’s ai generated, bad quality traditional bot generated, or human content spam generated. But whatever it is, it fooled google. It hurts to read, each numbered point is similar to this: “S.F. city parks are a great and amazing place to fly. Sf parks…

Thanksgiving sale in January checks out.
Post reply on HN