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Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Do you want to avoid it or do you want to join it?

Join.

Amazon has a few different programs to retrain people for tech jobs, such as non-tech Amazonians, people separating from the military, under-represented people, etc.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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I think a lot of big-co are setting up subsidiaries overseas and hiring there. It's different from the contract based offshoring model that happened in 2007 or so which had rather disastrous results. I know my company has and plans to have almost 1/2 its IT workforce as direct employees overseas.

At the same time, US salaries are either $300k+ in the Bay Area or $0 and unemployed, there's still no appetite to let someone work for e.g. $150k in a normal metro area.

> there's still no appetite to let someone work for e.g. $150k in a normal metro area

There are "normal metro areas" that aren't the Bay Area where a $150k salary leads to a very comfortable life, with loads of $150k jobs for people with decent skills.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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At the same time, US salaries are either $300k+ in the Bay Area or $0 and unemployed, there's still no appetite to let someone work for e.g. $150k in a normal metro area.

> there's still no appetite to let someone work for e.g. $150k in a normal metro area There are "normal metro areas" that aren't the Bay Area where a $150k salary leads to a very comfortable life, with loads of $150k jobs for people with decent skills.

I'd happily take 150K/year and go live in nowhere Wyoming or something. As much as I loathe Musk I'm sure I could get by on something like Starlink

Except oops Amazon would absolutely decimate my yearly comp because they base it entirely off where you live, and adjust it if you try to move somewhere cheaper

Though of course that's all moot anyway since we've all gotta go back to the office because the people who own all the realestate are weirdly chummy with all the management of these companies. Weird how that worked

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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I've been out of work for about 9 months. Anecdotally, my job search started feeling more promising around mid-December.

> my job search started feeling more promising around mid-December. Probably because of new budgets in the new financial year right? My company tends to hire and promote a load of people in Jan

I'm not sure overall. In my particular case

One company is planning to make me an offer, but they have to wait for the new FY to start in February before they can seek approval for another remote employee.

The other company is hiring to replace someone who recently left. The team is pretty lean, so IIUC they can't easily cover the departing employee's skillset.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Canadian compensation for Google engineers AFAIK is about 60%-70% what it is in the Bay Area.

Base compensation, or GSUs? My base compensation was only maybe 1/3rd of my total comp.

Total, and for L3/L4. But this was my impression a few years ago; Google has changed comp a fair bit since then (e.g. vesting schedule).

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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I like this one, it's a little more subtle: https://yeshello.org/

I fear that one would be misinterpreted by a significant percentage of American office workers. And by an even higher percentage of overseas colleagues in some countries.

Look at the timestamps. That exchange extends over three days on that site, showing how useless it is in a subtle way.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Everyone is talking about layoffs and lack of hiring, but I've found the problem to be that companies are cutting costs by silently increasing workload on existing employees. Everyone is getting burnt out trying to keep a 300-person engineering team running on only 100 head count. That leads to more incidents, slower delivery, less innovation, longer hours. Even those who are still employed are seeing working conditi…

I think a lot of big-co are setting up subsidiaries overseas and hiring there. It's different from the contract based offshoring model that happened in 2007 or so which had rather disastrous results. I know my company has and plans to have almost 1/2 its IT workforce as direct employees overseas.

My company is doing this, with the end goal of reducing engineering headcount in the US..

The only way for me to protest is to leave, but the job market is terrible.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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I admit to being guilty of the "YT?" or "Hi" type messages, but it's for a reason: the person may be presenting to a client and shared their screen instead of their window. I've been on too many Zooms where the presenter's Slack pops up saying, "John, we have a call with about at 3:00. Can you join?" Multiple times, this information was probably sensitive. I'd rather avoid that by waiting until I get a response.

While you have a point, the golden rule is to shut down everything related to email and IM during meetings.

But you can't control what other people do. You can control what messages you send.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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My company's doing apprenticeships; take somebody with no CS education, not even a college degree, and teach them to code. It's an interesting model, I remember folks on HN calling for more companies to try it since it seems to have had some success in Germany, but I predict a lot more security bugs and unmaintainable code in the near future.

This only works if you hire enough really good engineers and have them spend most of their time mentoring, and most companies aren't willing to accept the senior engineers individual contributions on paper dropping to zero.

I disagree. Actively mentoring, like what this demands, is more supervisory. I do it with college interns all the time. It's not suddenly different because the pipeline doesn't originate with college. The process generally goes:

1. In weekly one on ones we may discuss a topic. I ask them to apply that topic.

2. They pick up sprint tasks and look to apply the knowledge they've gained.

3. They may ask some questions along the way; it's important that other engineers are also available for question asking - the same way peers may depend on each others knowledge.

4. You peer review the outcome in a PR.

Rinse and repeat.

I'll add I end up having to do this with everyone if they're fresh to industry or came from a place with poor standards for code writing and/or problem solving.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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> there's still no appetite to let someone work for e.g. $150k in a normal metro area There are "normal metro areas" that aren't the Bay Area where a $150k salary leads to a very comfortable life, with loads of $150k jobs for people with decent skills.

I'd happily take 150K/year and go live in nowhere Wyoming or something. As much as I loathe Musk I'm sure I could get by on something like Starlink Except oops Amazon would absolutely decimate my yearly comp because they base it entirely off where you live, and adjust it if you try to move somewhere cheaper Though of course that's all moot anyway since we've all gotta go back to the office because the people who own…

> Except oops Amazon would absolutely decimate my yearly comp

There are other employers hiring tech people other than Microsoft, Facebook, and Amazon.

In fact, a teammate of mine is a software developer just got his Starlink connection up and running replacing his WISP in a rural area where he's farming as well on the side. Another friend works as an SRE and lives way out in the desert pursuing his amateur astronomy hobby. I know of several other friends and coworkers who live similar lives.

Technically I'm 100% remote, but personally I enjoy the metro life so I'm living in an affordable metro area living a lifestyle I enjoy.

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