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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by Sebb767 »

vardump wrote: post #453
hef19898 wrote: post #319

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So, what you are saying is, that preventive maintenence results in safer cars? Who'd have guessed... Thing is so, while the ADAC reliability reports exclude brands running their "own" mobility services (often enough outsourced to ADAC, but that's a different story), TÜV data is neutral. And a statistically relevant sample, TÜV is still one of the biggest providers. It sure means that other brands, with better results…

I think what he is saying is that there's a dealership service visit immediately before an inspection. That would certainly decrease inspection rejects. A great way to manipulate inspection statistics.

> I think what he is saying is that there's a dealership service visit immediately before an inspection.

Exactly. A car brought to the inspection by the dealership will basically never fail it. And expensive luxury cars are far more likely to be serviced by a dealer.

> A great way to manipulate inspection statistics.

I don't think this is intentional, just a nice side effect. Mostly dealerships just make the most money by servicing cars.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by cyberax »

photon_collider wrote: post #267
cyberax wrote: post #29

Tesla cars are interesting. The drivetrain and the battery are very reliable and will likely be never need service. But everything else is shitty. The construction quality, random breakages, neverending rattles are annoying. My Tesla spent more time in service than my partner's Toyota, and this includes regular oil changes.

I’ve thought about buying a Tesla for years now but stories like this have dissuaded me. I would have hoped that issues such as these would have been resolved by now. But, I’m glad that the other auto makers are starting to finally bring some competition in the EV market.

My personal advice is to wait until 2025. Many other automakers will be releasing models with NACS support, which will immediately make them much more usable in real life.

Tesla also outcompetes other cars on the price/range ratio, so it's the best choice if you want a car for road trips and if you're price-sensitive.

I'm going to lease Lucid Air once they release NACS-based versions.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by cyberax »

mantas wrote: post #180
cyberax wrote: post #24

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Brakes are probably going to last for at least 100k miles easily. Mine are still fine after 150k miles.

Pads and rotors - yes. Fluid - probably not. Usually changing fluid every 2 years is a good idea. Both to keep brakes performance and prevent rusting due to water slowly making it’s way into the system.

Tesla recommends checking the fluid level once every 4 years. Brakes on Teslas normally are not used much, so the fluid doesn't get heated.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by hef19898 »

Sebb767 wrote: post #531
vardump wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what he is saying is that there's a dealership service visit immediately before an inspection. That would certainly decrease inspection rejects. A great way to manipulate inspection statistics.

> I think what he is saying is that there's a dealership service visit immediately before an inspection. Exactly. A car brought to the inspection by the dealership will basically never fail it. And expensive luxury cars are far more likely to be serviced by a dealer. > A great way to manipulate inspection statistics. I don't think this is intentional, just a nice side effect. Mostly dealerships just make the most mon…

So Teslas problems are:

- bad quality

- bad maintenance because of

- no service network (which is stupid in and of itself, as you said, there is a lot of money in that)

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by futevolei »

seshagiric wrote: post #127

My experience as a Model Y owner: What works: - best in class software quality. Both various controls (lights, wipers, electronic parking brake etc.) and infotainment work just right. - Navigation is quite good, especially considering it automatically adds/ suggests charging locations as needed. - Steering assist (automatic lane and speed control) is quite handy. I never felt the need for trying out autopilot. What d…

I’m sorry for that painful price drop you experienced but that is on you for paying 70k, a price that literally and explicitly was jacked up for the purpose of decreasing demand in order to resolve the order backlog at the time. Don’t forget all other car makers were doing the exact same thing at the time so this isn’t a Tesla specific issue though Tesla was probably the most extreme.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by peterfirefly »

brtkdotse wrote: post #529
peterfirefly wrote: post #341

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They sold about 1/8 the cars Toyota did in 2022 but they also made about 8x the profit per car. And Toyota has a huge debt load whereas Tesla had money in the bank + was growing + FSD will Soon™ be here (and if/when it does, Tesla's profits will explode) + there's the energy business + there will probably be something like AWS for AI in a year or three.

You forgot the dancing robot.

It's gonna take a while before the robot does something useful. It's technically very impressive already but... not very useful.

(Did you see the latest video? It's crazy how well the hands and fingers work -- and how plodding its walk still is. Even Joe Biden walks faster!)

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by kortilla »

janoc wrote: post #523
kortilla wrote: post #331

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That exemption was available for any electric car. You’re just supporting the conclusion that Tesla was definitely the leader of electrics.

Of course it was leader in a market of one. The alternatives were Nissan Leaf and probably the first gen Renault Zoe. Nobody would buy those. The original argument was not that they were "leader" but that somehow people were buying Teslas for their quality or being better than everything else.

First, a market of 3 is not a market of one.

Second, they are still the leader. The quality arguments are clearly nitpicky since people seem to be buying them in droves anyway.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by xeromal »

jprd wrote: post #403
Closi wrote: post #397

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Tesla produced the same number of cars in 2022 as they did in all years combined from 2012-2020. If you think it's easy to just stand up that level of production capacity, and that they are actually they are just ignoring simple production problems, then you are underestimating the challenge. Things like panel gaps are not necessarily easy fixes - i.e. what if you know the solution to a 1mm improvement, but can't eas…

Then you take it down and not make a sub-par product. I'm not sure why we all need to ascribe some sort of Messianic vibe to a car company. I'm also not sure I want to bow to the altar of "whip your well-paid employees to sacrifice the best years of their lives to push out meh vehicles" either. 1000% behind the electric push, but dang y'all, it is car company

That's a sure-fire way to NOT run a business. Corners need to be cut sometimes.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #525
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #459

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YouTube would also be popular, in most of SEA the internet means mostly Facebook and YouTube, to the chagrin of Chinese internet services who can’t even compete outside of China in their own backyard (well, TikTok is hugely popular there, as it is here, Myanmar is also blaming TikTok and YouTube for ethnic violence, so it just isn’t Facebook). But I’m not sure how Facebooks‘s popularity equals a monopoly, they aren't…

Because they offered free service only to Facebook in developing countries (including Myanmar) using their FreeBASIC program[1], thereby establishing a defacto monopoly and building a anti-competetive moat against any competitors. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet.org

That would only be true if other companies couldn’t do that as well, like google did. And also, this hadn’t impeded TikTok’s ability to take market share away from Google when it became popular.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by bmitc »

dgellow wrote: post #241
bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

How is Tesla still considered a startup? It’s a 20 years old company with a 80billion valuation and more than 100k employees Edit: I even missed a zero, it has a 800billion valuation

In mentality, I guess. If I was pressed to give a definition right now, I'd say a company stops being a startup when they have self-sustaining revenue without continual outside investments and subsidies propping them up. That hasn't been the case for Tesla the entire 20 years of the company's existence.

Also, valuation is effectively meaningless. That valuation has nearly zero correlation to Tesla's actual value.

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