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Well I give up. I think everyone is a "loser" in the current situation. With Ilya signing this I have literally no clue what to believe anymore. I was willing to give the board the benefit of the doubt since I figured non-profit > profit in terms of standing on principal but this timeline is so screwy I'm done. Ilya votes for and stands behind decision to remove Altman, Altman goes to MS, other employees want him bac…
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It's almost like a ChatGPT hallucination. Where will this all go next? It seems like HN is melting down.
> It seems like HN is melting down. Almost literally- this is the slowest I've seen this site, and the number of errors are pretty high. I imagine the entire tech industry is here right now. You can almost smell the melting servers.
The scene appears to be completely blurry by now! My head is spinning, and the fan is in 7th gear. I believe only time will apply some sort of sharpness effect to make you realize what's really going on. I feel like I'm watching the Italian job the American way; everything and everyone is suspicious to me at this point! Is it possible that MSFT played some tricks behind the scenes?
Is nobody actually... committed to safety here? Was the OpenAI charter a gimmick and everyone but me was in on the joke?
The key line: “Microsoft has assured us that there are positions for all OpenAl employees at this new subsidiary should we choose to join.”
That is a spectacular power move: extending 700 job offers, many of which would be close to $1 million per year compensation.
If they join Sam Altman and Greg Brockman at Microsoft they will not need to start from scratch because Microsoft has full rights [1] to ChatGPT IP. They can just fork ChatGPT. Also keep in mind that Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits. So this could end up being the cheapest acquisition for Microsoft: They get a $90 Billion company for peanuts. [1]…
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3 board members (joined by Ilya Sutskever, who is publicly defecting now) found themselves in a position to take over what used to be a 9-member board, and took full control of OpenAI and the subsidiary previously worth $90 billion. Speculation is just on motivation, the facts are easy to establish.
> 3 board members (joined with Ilya Sutskever, who is publicly defecting now) found themselves in a position to take over what used to be a 9-member board, and took full control of OpenAI and the subsidiary previously worth $90 billion. er...what does that even mean? how can a board "take full control" of the thing they are the board for? they already have full control. the actual facts are that the board, by majorit…
I mean, they were literally able to fire him... and they're still not looking like they have control. Quite the opposite.
I think anyone watching ChatGPT rise over the last year would see where the currents are flowing.
At this point, I think it’s absolutely clear no one has any idea what happened. Every speculation, no matter how sophisticated, has been wrong. It’s time to take a breath, step back, and wait until someone from OpenAI says something substantial.
Likely Ilya and Adam swayed Helen and Tasha. Booted Sam out. Greg voluntarily resigned. Ilya (at the urging of Satya and his colleagues including Mira) wanted to reinstate Sam, but the deal fell through with the Board outvoting Sustkever 3 to 1. With Mira deflecting, Adam got his mate Emmett to steady the ship but things went nuclear.
At this point, I think it’s absolutely clear no one has any idea what happened. Every speculation, no matter how sophisticated, has been wrong. It’s time to take a breath, step back, and wait until someone from OpenAI says something substantial.
3 board members (joined by Ilya Sutskever, who is publicly defecting now) found themselves in a position to take over what used to be a 9-member board, and took full control of OpenAI and the subsidiary previously worth $90 billion. Speculation is just on motivation, the facts are easy to establish.