It seems to me that every ‘AI’ effort I see today utterly depends on circumventing or ignoring privacy.
This is baked into the current design. How else would it be fed large amounts of data if every individual made an informed choice?
Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#532At what point are they actually stealing our souls to train AI? Art? Private comments to our loved ones?
Not stealing it, copying it. And your loved ones will be glad to have a copy after you die. You're welcome!
Why should I value my loved ones now if I can just get emotional completion from a copy of them after they die?
That's the endgame here. Says a lot about you, I think.
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#533Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because that's how you end up with projects that take 3 years to plan instead of 3 months. A live Q&A where all of the experts who can answer questions and everyone interested in the subject who may have questions are in the same room (live or virtual) is a lot more productive compared to what you are suggesting. If something they said in the main presentation was missing important details that you need to do you wor…
Having 500+ people on a project is how something takes 3 years to plan. "At that scale there'll be no interactivity during the meeting anyway."
There is interactivity. Each company has their own way of doing this, but it's typical that they have someone reading the chat to gather questions and that higher ranked employee can directly speak to ask questions.
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#534Earlier quoted context omitted.
And this continues even after the human race disappears. There's a dystopian sci-fi novel here somewhere.
The dystopian part would be, some human brains are still kept alive and are wired in matrix like. The Eternal Meeting.
Every meeting is already I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#535The original posting about “no opt-out” was either incorrect, or prior to the current terms of service, per the following from the Zoom site:
( https://blog.zoom.us/zooms-term-service-ai/ )
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It’s important to us at Zoom to empower our customers with innovative and secure communication solutions. We’ve updated our terms of service (in section 10.4) to further confirm that we will not use audio, video, or chat customer content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent.
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(unless that is a “distinction without a difference” — meaning, how does one opt-out )
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#536Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Flatpak wrapper for Zoom is not made or endorsed by Zoom, Inc. as indicated in its description [1]. I am definitely not a fan of Zoom either and had my own issues with the Linux client, but if the problems you describe are unique to the Flatpak and not in the official Linux distribution, you can't blame Zoom for that. [1] https://flathub.org/apps/us.zoom.Zoom
How can you say it's unique to the flatpak? The poor window management is the fault of the original coder. It's not like a flatpak packager says "ok let's implement the GUI framework from scratch". So, yes, I can blame Zoom for sure! If by some chance flatpak packagers need to re-implement all the GUI calls manually, then it is a miserable failure as a packaging format and needs to be terminated immediately. But we k…
I never said that the issues are unique to the Flatpak. I said if they are, then you shouldn't blame Zoom.
The reason why I commented in the first place is because you explicitly mentioned the Flatpak of the Zoom client which stood out to me.
It is my understanding that Flatpak sandboxes apps [1], which could cause various issues if the app is not expecting to be run inside one or of the permissions are misconfigured.
But it certainly doesn't have to. Of course the app itself can be buggy. My point is that an official release should be checked before reporting bugs.
[1] https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/sandbox-permissions.html
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#537Earlier quoted context omitted.
China might not be as successful as the west(yet) but they have their own ecosystem and have alternatives for most tech products. All the tech companies in China are practically under the control of the party. China also has a billion+ people, even the market is smaller than the west, I think they will manage. Not to mention the difference in privacy laws and a higher number of stem grads to throw at the problem.
So we agree: that was my point. China is not a competitor for western markets , meaning the argument that "If we don't do it, China will" is fucking ridiculous, as China doesn't have access to the data necessary to make things that WORK for the western market.
A lot of western data is public, people in China aren't aliens compared to those in the west, there are only small cultural differences so chinese data in itself is usable for many western requirements.
Combine the public western data and private chinese data, and it should be enough for them to give the west a run for its money if they decide to slow/stop. Not to mention that chinese apps like tiktok are used very widely in the west, and coorps like Tencent have a tentacle wrapped around hundreds of western coorps.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#538Hi there - this is Aparna from Zoom, our Chief Operating Officer. Thank you for your care and concern for our customers - we are grateful for the opportunity to double click on how we treat customer content. To clarify, Zoom customers decide whether to enable generative AI features (recently launched on a free trial basis) and separately whether to share customer content with Zoom for product improvement purposes. Al…
Answer unsatisfactory. With the recent T&C update, Zoom committed (business) suicide.
A memorable fail story to avoid.
Goodbye forever, Zoom.