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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by haswell »

NoPicklez wrote: post #429
likeabbas wrote: post #235

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Grusch gave program names, people involved, and locations of these special access programs purported to be reverse engineering non human technology to the ICIG and both intelligence committees in congress. Call your congressman and ask if he is credible.

What can the average person do with program names, people involved and locations? Program names mean nothing unless you can look up their details as they're usually fancy codenames that spark everyone's tin foil hats. Makes for a great news story and a conversation on HN about "what it might be" but apart from that its useless.

> What can the average person do with program names, people involved and locations?

What the average person can do with this information is not the point as far as I can tell. This information is being shared with people who are not the average person, and who do have the ability to investigate further.

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Post by mmcwilliams »

likeabbas wrote: post #320
mmcwilliams wrote: post #313

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Former CIA Director Leon Panetta seems to believe that his agency has done it several times[0]. [0] http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/08/cia.congress/

Grusch has made the allegations that specific people and defense contractors are involved in illegal operations and are illegally withholding information from congress. So if you don’t think he will be tried for perjury as that article might claim, he can certainly be sued for false accusations. These are heavy allegations that go beyond just the standard lie

In the perjury statute, how does it differentiate between standard lies and "heavy allegations"?

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Post by rdtsc »

alkibiades wrote: post #441
kcplate wrote: post #397

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How about the option that aliens exist but are not here nor are detectable yet because we are the first and most technologically advanced form of life to arise…yet.

if other life exists, the chances of us being first would be really low given the size and age of the universe

At the same time multiplying enough small probabilities together we can also get a really small number quite quickly.

We can think or imagine whichever option is more fun and exciting. Without a single example of at least one confirmed alien life a lot of interesting possibilities are open.

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Post by jschveibinz »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #246
likeabbas wrote: post #232

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> They were all regular joes with uneventful military careers Grusch was a GS15 NGA officer that was read into over 2000 special access programs and prepared/delivered the presidential daily briefing in 2021. He’s quite literally one of the most credentialed intelligence officers in the US. Dave Fravor was second in command of the USS Nimitz and is recognized as one of the top fighter pilots to come out of Top Gun.

>Grusch was a GS15 NGA officer that was read into over 2000 special access programs and prepared/delivered the presidential daily briefing in 2021. He’s quite literally one of the most credentialed intelligence officers in the US. This is way more common than you think it is and again, not special. I prepped multiple PDBs from 2012-2015 while at DIA and then again while on the JS/J2 staff. Delivering a segment of the…

I knew a guy who made “flag badge” that sat at his desk, smoked cigarettes, read the newspaper and drank tea for at least half of his workday. So I agree with your assessment.

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Post by likeabbas »

ChainOfFools wrote: post #460
likeabbas wrote: post #380

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You're right to be skeptical of his claims. At the very least, you should support Congress investigating this issue. Because either there are some crazy people with access to the most sensitive state secrets we own, or they are telling the truth and there's been a major coverup for the last 90 years hiding non-human intelligence visiting this planet from elsewhere, and there's technology far beyond what we have creat…

Another possible motivation may be that he doesn't believe that any of this is actually alien technology at all, and that it is in fact a skunk works program he either has stumbled into via some side channel, (and therefore doesn't have direct access to materials that with substantiate his testimony), or he may even know exactly what all this stuff is but can't speak frankly about it because it is protected by top se…

I’ll just say, he’s testified under oath to the ICIG who found his claims “urgent and credible” (which are legal terms). So with your idea, the ICIG is in on it too?

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Post by likeabbas »

NoPicklez wrote: post #429
likeabbas wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grusch gave program names, people involved, and locations of these special access programs purported to be reverse engineering non human technology to the ICIG and both intelligence committees in congress. Call your congressman and ask if he is credible.

What can the average person do with program names, people involved and locations? Program names mean nothing unless you can look up their details as they're usually fancy codenames that spark everyone's tin foil hats. Makes for a great news story and a conversation on HN about "what it might be" but apart from that its useless.

Average person can’t do anything. Congress can investigate and subpoena any and all people involved and force them to disclose what they know. They can also use eminent domain to take the purported technology.

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Post by likeabbas »

sixstringtheory wrote: post #402
likeabbas wrote: post #271

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I’m not looking up some random online comment’s credentials to try to prove their own point. Your comment doesn’t stand on its own and if you’re not willing to clarify your credentials further then your argument is moot.

Why wouldn’t you just go on to apply all the same criteria to whatever response they would provide to you? Looks like they made the right decision not to engage with your demands.

I haven’t asked anyone to look up anything. I’m just discussing what’s in the article and the sources the article is referencing. I’m happy to give people plenty of things to read or watch to catch up if you’d like - I won’t make you sleuth for it in my comment history.

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Post by likeabbas »

blincoln wrote: post #434
likeabbas wrote: post #263

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Certainly to me, especially given he’s testified under oath to multiple congressional committees and the ICIG. He’s made some outrageous accusations that absolutely need to be investigated. Either he’s lying and we have crazy people in very high levels of government, or he’s not and we need to get this information into the public domain.

> Either he’s lying and we have crazy people in very high levels of government, or he’s not and we need to get this information into the public domain. There are some other possibilities. My main theory for what Grusch specifically is talking about is that intelligence agencies probably deliberately sprinkle different fake programs into the lists that different people are given access to, so that when information lea…

He’s testified under oath to the ICIG who found his claims “urgent and credible” ( which are legal terms. Credible meaning he’s corroborated some claims, and urgent meaning the ICIG had to forward the claims to the intelligence committees in both chambers of congress.

So with your idea, the ICIG is in on it too?

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Post by likeabbas »

mmcwilliams wrote: post #532
likeabbas wrote: post #320

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Grusch has made the allegations that specific people and defense contractors are involved in illegal operations and are illegally withholding information from congress. So if you don’t think he will be tried for perjury as that article might claim, he can certainly be sued for false accusations. These are heavy allegations that go beyond just the standard lie

In the perjury statute, how does it differentiate between standard lies and "heavy allegations"?

Probably somewhere along the specifying people and corporations that are conducting illegal activities - such as withholding information from congress and even killing people to protect this information. Even if congress doesn’t refer him to the justice department for perjury, the billion dollar defense contractors he’s making these allegations about should have no trouble suing him for defamation and false accusations.
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