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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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what kind of nuanced compromise exists that does not paint jesus as a liar, lunatic, or lord exclusively?

That he believed a falsehood? Does that make him a lunatic? Would that not necessarily make billions of people lunatics?

That he was misrepresented?

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Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

I think ants could say the same thing about us. How could someone as advanced as a human just drown in the water or fall from a window and die?

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Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

Entropy? Surely even hyper intelligent mega aliens can spill coffee on their keyboard at least once. Things just go wrong sometimes.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Show me some evidence for how other countries have produced greater wealth for “the group” than the “selfish US.”

Wealth inequality in the US today is worse than France right before the revolution. The US is a great country to go to if you're already rich.

Inequality is a feature, not a bug as long as the standards for everyone improves. The problem is that the lowest has not seen improvement in certain areas.

Inequality is a term so alluring to mid-IQ activists. I'll take today's inequality vs. poverty of 100 years ago. The world has improved, period.

Similarly, I'll take a nation full of extreme inequality if their average standards of living are better than say, Honduras.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Also people who don't understand what is or is not possible easily get confused about what is impossible / difficult versus possible / easy. My guess is that a substantial fraction of otherwise competent American adults don't realise VTOL jet aircraft are a thing we can and have built for example, and that if one of them saw a prototype like the Flying Bedstead (Rolls Royce experimental platform, which doesn't look a…

I am usually one to treat EVERYTHING with a very healthy dose of skepticism, but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not? I'm sure that a century ago, space was just something we would never reach. The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets. You should go check those out. I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets…

> I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets collected.

Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/c/mickwest. Mick has thoroughly investigated the most cited videos and shows them to be of entirely terrestrial origin - often atmospheric effects combined with optical lens, digital stabilization and thermal imaging artifacts. He even cites the technical documentation for the military camera equipment and often provides convincing demonstrations of the artifacts through recreations.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

I agree. I mean lets assume it is true: how could the US government have failed a real alien ship? Did the poor aliens fail at filling out some paperwork? I mean this ship had to spend so much energy just to get to us, what else could have failed them?

Seems reasonable that even an intersolar civilization would be subject to bugs, errors, degradation and bad luck. An intersolar trip could’ve damaged a craft far more advanced than what we can make.

Could be (perhaps even likely to be) an unpiloted craft. It could be a craft no more technologically advanced than human tech; maybe it’s an alien Voyager 1.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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I say this from an angle of religious tolerance but some people actually “believe in angels” etc, people will believe whatever they want

Angels, ghosts, UFOs, miracles all have the same characteristics. A person who seems very reasonable says they are sure that saw the thing, and they provide SOME circumstantial or grainy photographic evidence, but no one actually got a full resolution picture of the angel or ghost or UFO. I doubt these people are lying. They actually saw something. Miracles are the easiest example to explain. Someone couldn't walk an…

It seems likely to me that “seeing things” is consistent with the predictive processing model from cognitive neuroscience. To summarize: the retina error-corrects a simulation provided from the cortex.

Let’s say some visual details are fuzzy. With a strong enough Bayesian prior (e.g. belief in UFOs), the human perceptual apparatus could subjectively see things that look like UFOs.

Mind bending, but this seems to me a credible and popular theory of brain functioning. I’m no expert and new to the theory. Please correct me if I’m butchering it.

P.S. Like anyone, I often detect motion in my peripheral vision without much detail. Maybe once a year (or less), I see weird things that seem implausible, but only for brief instant. When I look, there is nothing unusual. Yes, bring on the “what are you smoking?” comments… but I assure you the answer is “nothing”.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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You know this never occurred to be before, but seams obvious in hindsight. It popped into my head while reading your comments. If you can flash a light bright enough to be seen by other civilization you can communicate with them at light speed. Then once you convince your communication partners to build machines and run programs you send them, your AI's can "travel" at light speed. Once the AI has arrived it can star…

Um, that's called 'radio'.

Haha, sure, the revelation to me was that if your life is just data, light speed travel is easy.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

Since we're speculating, the details of "intact and partially intact" stand out.

Seems like something a nation state might float if another nation state was (or was planning) ramping up some newfangled drone espionage missions.

OMG aliens -> nice advanced tech you got there

Intact -> would be a shame if someone ratcheted up tensions by reverse engineering it

Partial -> stay off my land

illegally withheld from Congress -> if mom and dad find out we're both in trouble

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