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Re: Apple Vision

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Post by retrocryptid »

shen wrote: post #477
lolinder wrote: post #463

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Does it replace the laptop, or supplement it? From what I've seen it can project one monitor from your existing MacBook into the space. Which means you'll also have to lug your MacBook around in order to use it on the go, and you won't be able to have your 3 monitors, just the one.

It has the M2. Apple says it works with select iPad apps in addition to its own App Store down the line. Apple just recently made FCP & Logic available on the iPad. I think the direction is clear.

So... the killer app is "it has the M2?"

I'm not sure that's the consumer magnet you might think it is.

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by HDThoreaun »

wussboy wrote: post #208
flappyeagle wrote: post #59

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It’s obvious how a 10 second clip scales to 10 minutes or 10 hours or 10 days. You don’t need that much imagination or even a leap of faith. A court side seat to an NBA game is north of $1000. If this creates 20% of the experience it will easily pay for itself in 1 season.

Is "an unrestricted view of the game from close up" the only appeal to court-side seats? I think it's perhaps the least interesting aspect, since you can achieve this for free at almost any non-NBA level basketball game. Or perhaps the appeal of court-side seats is the atmosphere, experience and social signaling, none of which are provided by these glasses. Our desire for "cheap" court-side seats is understandable fr…

> Or perhaps the appeal of court-side seats is the atmosphere, experience and social signaling, none of which are provided by these glasses.

The author's entire point was that the demo did recreate the atmosphere and experience he had while courtside at an NBA game. Maybe it doesn't provide the social clout, but that's not the point for tons who wish they could sit courtside.

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by panarky »

cubefox wrote: post #503
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To provide an alternative perspective, your comment convinced me to read the article and I didn't think it was substantive at all. Can you give an example of an "sharp" "observation" he made?

That the device will, if successful, make us even more lonely.

As if the skyrocketing rate of anxiety, depression and self-harm that started with the release of the iPhone and Facebook weren't bad enough, now we're going to mediate human relationships even more immersively through silicon and megacorps. Mass alienation is rat poison for civilization.

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by thordenmark »

bmitc wrote: post #347
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Apple seems to have two modes they do quite well, create tomorrow, refine today (as it pertains to technology/personal computing). Some % of the company seems to be focused on extremely polished loooonngg term second market mover advantage of bleeding edge tech, and some % of the company seems to be focused on continuous improvement of what exists today. Apple does a great job of working on cutting edge technology th…

> Apple seems to have two modes they do quite well, create tomorrow, refine today. Isn't this a bit hyperbolic for a company that makes personal computers, smartphones, and tablets?

If that is all you see you are missing most of the iceberg. The App store, airpods, apple watch, a whole host of their own apps, iphotos, and so much more. All very well executed and generating tremendous revenue. Is each one the best? Not necessarily, but as a whole ecosystem? Probably.

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by bee_rider »

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I’ve kept in touch with some childhood friends digitally. And I’ve worked while in coffee shops and offices. I have much more authentic interactions with my friends over Discord than I do with strangers or pseudo-strangers in public. In public then interaction is intentionally inauthentic (which feels emotionally isolating to me, at least); the person wants to be nice to me to get a better tip, I want to be nice to m…

I have much more real and honest interaction meeting physically people whome I don't know from childhood. Online it's all a pretentious character acting.

I think the other comment identified a mismatch there; I should have been more clear—by “online” I meant in video games and over Discord. Which is to say, individual conversations. If by online you mean something like Instagram or Facebook or other platforms broadcast out to the world, yeah, that can be a bit pretentious and fake.

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by scarface_74 »

retrocryptid wrote: post #323

So... what's the killer app for this thing? Best I can tell it's a status symbol for a particular type of computer nerd. But blather about the Apple "Vision" has replaced blather about GPT based chatbots on HN, so I am thankful for that. But I am not being facetious when I say that I don't see any application for the technology that justifies the $3500 price tag. But I'm more than willing to be educated. Is BMW going…

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https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/29/technology/29apple.html

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Post by eep_social »

magarnicle wrote: post #525
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> If it seems like he’s gushing, he is. This is how he writes. If you ever read him on a topic where you are an actual expert, you’ll probably never bother reading him again.

Does it make a difference that he acknowledges he is gushing?

No, it’s a tactic to disarm criticism by pretending to pre-address the obvious “don’t do that” response. “I know my behavior is bad but I am openly acknowledging it so you should trust me and look beyond it” is remarkable in its ability to disarm critics. To put it another way, “they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the..”

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Post by r00fus »

jmbwell wrote: post #430
samwillis wrote: post #51

It's interesting that Magic Leap took $3.5 billion in investment, and had a very similar vision and almost identical demos. But they failed to deliver. I wander what the R and D cost for the Vision Pro is, 10x Magic Leaps investment, $35 billion over last 5 years? Seems plausible... Their total R&D expense is about €100B in same time period.

Could be hard to break it down. It’s clear that much of what we have already — Sidecar, Continuity, all the ML subject recognition, spatial audio, image processing… is likely spun out of the development of this thing, or at least co-developed. This is the space program that brought us Tang, so to speak. Even if this thing flops magnificently, the whole Apple ecosystem will have been enriched by its development. From…

Don't forget all the "neural" branding for chips - this product wouldn't yet be viable without M-class (fanless) chipsets.

So yeah, it's not just hard to pin down, but a lot of the work that led to this is foundational for other Apple products as well (either as core like Mac Ms or features like Continuity) so it's seamless with other products.

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Post by brookst »

gh02t wrote: post #424
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Apple makes a lot of money from games on iOS, but nobody would say the iPhone is a gaming device. I expect the headset to be the same: it will have the GPU power to support games third party devs will make games, Apple will make money from distributing games, and it will still not be considered a gaming platform.

I disagree, I consider the iPhone to be a gaming device. By many metrics it might even be the most popular gaming device ever. It's not only a gaming device, but it can be more than one thing. That said, I suspect that the price tag on this generation of the Vision is probably gonna shut out most casual users; maybe we will see marquee, platform-selling games on it in later generations but I have a hard time imaginin…

I suppose it's a specific thing. I'd say "gaming device" means heavily optimized for gaming, including tradeoffs that make it less attractive for other scenarios. Consoles, Nintendo Switch, wired mice with a billion buttons and 1000DPI, etc.. those are gaming devices to me.

Pencils are gaming devices in a general sense :)

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by r00fus »

matt-attack wrote: post #318
shafyy wrote: post #11

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They probably plan on releasing a non-pro version later. Importantly, adding "Pro" also has the psychological effect of better justifying the higher price.

I found it odd that they started out with Pro. I think “Apple Vision” would have sufficed. Leaves room for the future to add “Pro” when they go to 8K/Retina or whatever. Plus just saying “Apple Vision” is kinda nice.

When Apple wants a mainstream product, they'll release one at a mainstream (for them) price. Right now they can't sell a non-pro for probably less than $2k, so why not just sell the pro at 3.5k and use the insights from that to create a real mainstream (but high end) non-pro with better chips/software etc next year?
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