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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by prawn »

notJim wrote: post #511
prawn wrote: post #232

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Anyone who flies a lot will be able to use it as advertised now for entertainment and work. And this is WWDC. They’re getting this in front of developers to build the first third-party apps. Years ago, we applied to get Apple TVs for $1 and then came up with an app to launch on it. If you’re early, you have limited competition and can rank in the charts relatively easily (obviously at the risk of fighting over a smal…

With a two hour battery life? I don't see it.

Most flights I've been on have USB charging ports. Is it different where you live?

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by HKH2 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #352
HKH2 wrote: post #335

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At some point your brain will be able to be tricked enough for you not to care about the difference.

How? Maybe when we plug our brains directly into the matrix through a neural interface for direct electrical simulation but that's SciFi for now. We're still at the step of VR headsets.

Of course there will be variation in what people will accept. For many, near enough is good enough (I was surprised to hear that people had AI partners.)

You sound like those people who want AI to mimic human behavior, yet there are so many more interesting applications outside of that constraint.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by yftsui »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #347
macNchz wrote: post #265

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I didn’t get one until the 3G came out, but I have a very clear memory of the “wow!” feeling: right after buying the phone, I went down the street to a coffee shop and started browsing the web while waiting in line. I was instantly cured of my prior skepticism that it could actually be a major improvement over my flip phone + iPod.

Also GPS maps with that shiny glass dot. You bought a phone, and you got a GPS navigator for free. I had a friend who had just bought a high end Nokia. We arranged to meet for lunch. She got hopelessly lost because Nokia's GPS and mapping were crap. Apple's just worked. Same with the App Store. I'd guess this is going to have some kind of VApp Store. But I suspect what it really needs is plain old MacOS running every…

Not sure what maps your friend was using, Nokia S60 series has Google Maps, it’s not bad compared to original iPhone. I could use keyboard to zoom in and out, after log in all the layered map stuff works. In comparison, iPhone’s Google Maps didn’t have turn by turn navigation till a while later.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by itsoktodisagree »

Turskarama wrote: post #524
notaustinpowers wrote: post #489

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This device looks to be a monumental improvement over any current consumer AR/VR headset. From the user reviews that've come out so far, they've talked about the very forgiving hand-tracking, the high-fidelity screens, the nearly imperceptible delay from the cameras, how comfortable it is to wear, etc. For your point about the no virtual objects, what would you want Apple to do? Create an entirely new OS requiring de…

For sure this thing is much better than something like the Meta Quest 3, but is it _seven times_ as good? Let's look at the actual improvements here over the quest, roughly in order from what I consider best to worst: 1) higher resolution screens. This requires more powerful onboard processing and more expensive screens and is an obvious win. 2) better pass through. Again requires better onboard processing and camera…

1 & 2 are essential for one of the main functions of this thing for now, which is to replace or extend a laptop. I am buying it simply for this purpose. I hate working at my desktop and my Air doesn’t have enough screen estate for efficient dev work on the couch or bed lol.

Proper, well integrated passthrough that seamlessly works with my laptop is crucial for this to work and judging by the marketing material it seems to be extremely well implemented. I simply can’t work with even the quest pro, because the clarity (resolution) simply isn’t there and all the implementations are cumbersome (yea I’ve tried all apps including metas own).

All the other features like 3D video recording are gimmicks to me, but it doesn’t matter.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by ztrww »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #425
ztrww wrote: post #418

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Windows Mobile and Symbian devices were a thing for years and had functioning browsers. The iPhone was an improvement (as long as you had wifi) but it took a couple of years before it actually become widespread

They weren't anywhere close to being the same. You had no multi-touch, no pinch zoom and no fluid panning and scrolling.

Exactly, you’d use the to do the same thing more or less but the iPhone had way better UX. The idea of browsing the web on your phone wasn’t something new or revolutionary, it was all about the implementation.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by dang »

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #59
7e wrote: post #52

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Open source software developers could never approach the masterpiece of software craftsmanship is on display here. Only exceptional, highly paid professionals with intense focus can achieve this. Generally, those who can, do and get paid handsomely, those who can't, pretend by volunteering their open source. We're talking Hollywood composer vs. music teacher, here.

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by Gareth321 »

prawn wrote: post #531
notJim wrote: post #511

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With a two hour battery life? I don't see it.

Most flights I've been on have USB charging ports. Is it different where you live?

Those USB charging ports are usually very low power. The circuits also have maximum loads, meaning that if too many people are using USB charging ports, they drop even further. I've measured output on several airlines. Two topped out at 5W. The other at 12W. This is likely WELL below the requirements for this headset.

One will have more success with the wall outlets, but most flights don't have these. Even many international flights don't offer them.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by reportgunner »

cal85 wrote: post #371
treprinum wrote: post #276

All these optimistic articles without showing a single AR application - is Apple allowing access to devices only to pre-vetted publishers that would never criticize their products? 4k per eye sounds good but if it's only used for displaying 2D stuff it's kinda pointless as the resolution is still too low for that and the GPU is too weak for 3D stuff at that resolution (that would need like a minimized 5090 to make it…

How do you know the resolution is too low, and what do you think is needed? I find the Oculus Quest 2 (1920x1832 per eye) to be passable for working on virtual monitors. Not great, but feels 60% of the way there. I would expect 4K per eye to be a huge difference.

Parent is right. VR/AR looks amazing on a physical display in a youtube video but looks terrible through the headset.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by reportgunner »

portpecos wrote: post #450
dreamcompiler wrote: post #337

This thing reminds me of the Segway. 1. Seems quite cool in the demo but dorky in the real world. 2. Solves a problem no one really has. 3. Costs 10x more than most people are willing to spend. 4. Actual use case: Mall cops and tourists. 5. Some rich fanboy will buy out the entire inventory, use it outdoors, and fall off a cliff.

If augmented reality can provide me with step-by-step guidance on diagnosing and fixing a car leak, replacing a diverter valve on a faucet, installing roof-customized solar panels, and various other DIY tasks, while also showing me the necessary tools, then I would be inclined to purchase this product. I'm growing weary of watching YouTube videos for car repairs and struggling to align the locations of bolts or parts…

This sounds nice on paper but it's far easier to just read the recipe rather than fumble around with a headset while your hands are dirty.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by reportgunner »

akmarinov wrote: post #125
nbittich wrote: post #34

Same pattern over and over, futuristic hardware, closed source software. This looks boring to me. I don't expect anything ground breaking from it. It's gonna be an iphone sticked to your eyes. Those big tech companies remove all the fun and excitement we used to have with new hardware. We know how it's gonna behave and it's limitation before it's released to the public.

You say you don’t expect anything groundbreaking and then compare it with arguably the most groundbreaking product ever

You mean more than the invention of fire or the printing press ?
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