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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Half of it is the buying process.

worlds best selling car. Remember that the Tesla buying process is known as the "car buying process" since forever, outside the US, at least in the kind of countries where people buy expensive cars.

I don't understand what you wrote. Are you saying that outside the US, every manufacturer offers low-friction online sales, with no need to visit a dealer?

Because I don't think that's entirely true...

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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One thing that EV's have an advantage of is the reduced footprint of their drivetrain. The primary bulk of an EV is the massive battery that usually spans the bottom of the car opening up space in the interior or the ubiquitous EV "frunk" this makes for a more spacious interior and the Y takes advantage of this well. That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a…

In the market for a car here in Canada.

Really loved the idea of an electric car / plug in hybrid but it feels like EVs are just not adequately designed for Canada.

The main issues are (A) not enough charging infrastructure (fixable) and (B) poor battery performance in cold weather.

I think the cold weather thing could be fixable but from my perspective it seems like EVs are designed with California in mind so there seems to be little incentive to fix those issues.

Additionally Canada wants all new cars to be EVs by somewhere around 2030 but it seems like a not very well thought out plan.

Personally I ended up going with a standard hybrid.

- Fantastic mileage in the city.

- Good cold weather performance.

- Highest reliability by consumers reports and other publications.

- No range anxiety.

- Battery lasts a very long time since it is used less and stays at a medium charge.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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It might be "2 times as expensive" up front, but not for the TCO. People really need to remember maintenance costs over the ownership period. In a Tesla all you're really paying for is tyre rotation / alignment / rubber replacements, and air filters. Plus the electricity, in place of fuel. The savings add up significantly.

> In a Tesla all you're really paying for is tyre rotation I change my tires every 20,000-25,000 kms for me it means every 3 years my car runs on LPG, which is half the price of gas Never ever done any particular kind of maintenance in over 10 years. You can buy 6-7 brand new "my cars" with the money spent on a Tesla. Yes, it's a cheap car, I chose it exactly because it's cheap and robust, I use it in a city, I park…

What car do you have that costs 1/7th the price of a tesla and has no maintenance required whatsoever (including oil changes)?

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Minivan seems like a great form factor for an EV. Unfortunately, the small number of companies that still make minivans are also the companies that are slowest to adopt EVs.

What use case does a minivan solve that a VW ID BUZZ does not? I guess it's technically not a minivan(?), but it's not very far from it!

I would probably be ok with the abuzz, but you can't but it in the US yet.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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You only need the rear view for keeping an eye on traffic behind while on the road, so basically the window should be the size of the FoV in your rear view mirror. For parking, I don't think I have looked at anything but cameras for the last 15 years. The camera is so much better than both looking backwards and using the center mirror. The rear window doesn't show the most important thing you want to see when parking…

And kids running behind the car when reversing. Honestly, visibility is in the top five criteria for me (others include driver's seat, sound proofing and big boot lid). Parking sensors and cameras of course help but are they a total substitute?

Total substitute. And they have to be, because once you have them you ONLY look at the screen. There is no chance I'm even glancing in the useless top mirror, nor over my shoulder. I do switch between rear camera and 360 camera though, but it varies between car brands if that's necessary. In the best implementations you see both at the same time.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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What makes you think the model Y isn't solid or reliable? I'm super happy with my 2021. I've also driven my Nissan Leaf since 2013 with zero shop visits outside of tire shops. A negative comparison on reliability with ICE just does not compute to me.

> I've also driven my Nissan Leaf since 2013 with zero shop visits outside of tire shops. How many miles/kilometers have you driven?

it is at 75k miles including sitting off charger for 8 months while i was traveling. battery still at 82-85% of original capacity.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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It is the ideal form factor for anyone with a little bit of sense. It has the best room/capacity per footprint.

They aren't the most aerodynamic and had surprisingly bad fuel economy the last time I looked, but after those concerns it's hard to beat a minivan. I was shocked just how little cargo capacity my father in law's big fancy Mercedes SUV has - I was able to fit more in a Honda Fit (which explains the name!)

Don't think fuel economy is a real concern if you compare them to most SUVs.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Toyota recently disassembled a model Y to study it and this is what their executives said: "Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art. It's unbelievable," "It's a whole different manufacturing philosophy," while another added, “We need a new platform designed as a blank-sheet EV."

I googled for this but couldn’t find a source. Any sources you can share would be great

https://insideevs.com/news/655087/toyota-engineers-after-tes...

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Toyota recently disassembled a model Y to study it and this is what their executives said: "Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art. It's unbelievable," "It's a whole different manufacturing philosophy," while another added, “We need a new platform designed as a blank-sheet EV."

1. Source? 2. Toyota is behind. Check what the Chinese and Germans are doing. Though you can't really do that since most of those cars aren't sold in the US.

https://insideevs.com/news/655087/toyota-engineers-after-tes...
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