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Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by Nathanba »

inpdx wrote: post #530
Nathanba wrote: post #515

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It reminds me of the Trump thing, it seems people really lose all rationality when they are faced with a man who publically doesn't care and does whatever he wants and is successful at it. I wonder if we will one day have a psychological name for this. It must be related to something in the human brain that touches on social repression and decades of instilled moral codes like "Don't say this, nobody will like you" a…

"and is successful at it." Overpaying, creating a mass exodus, destabilizing the platform, and losing tons of advertisers is "successful?"

The Twitter thing is still in progress and probably his first project where you could say that he has a problem

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by jamilton »

jrmg wrote: post #497
wolpoli wrote: post #437

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Just like how it is hard to fact-check Wikipedia now that it's used a reference. A thought came to me - perhaps it's Wikipedia that should be worried that it'll be supplanted by LLMs.

[citation needed]

The phenomenon they're referring to is when something spurious is posted on Wikipedia with no or poor citations, then used as the source for a "reputable" article (without citations), then the article is cited by Wikipedia, making the spurious information look more trustworthy.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by brigandish »

wpietri wrote: post #421
sundaeofshock wrote: post #209

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You are ignoring the whole Verification process. It was the only platform where users could have interactions with prominent people in a variety of fields and know the interaction was legitimate. That mattered! Killing the verification system chased away many blue checks, who happened to generate a huge amount of traffic for the site. Musks politics on their own didn’t create problems. However, Musk’s tolerance for h…

As somebody who used to do anti-abuse engineering for Twitter, maybe I'm biased here. But I don't think his politics are separable from his tolerance for hate speech. I think they're closely related. The tricky part here is, as you point to, not wanting to see people abused is turning out to be good business. That's why Twitter came around on hate speech, harassment, and the like. Claiming to be the "free speech wing…

> which noted liberal Ron DeSantis defines as "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them."

That's not a quote from Ron DeSantis. From [0]:

> Ryan Newman, DeSantis’s general counsel, said the term referred to “the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.”

[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/12/05/desantis-...

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by brigandish »

dysoco wrote: post #432
czbond wrote: post #175

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Twitter's barrier wasn't that it was technically hard - it was that it was free and had critical mass. There still isn't much of a reason to move away from it, except for those who want to signal their disdain for Musk's political views

>There still isn't much of a reason to move away from it, except for those who want to signal their disdain for Musk's political views There ISN'T? Ever since Musk stepped in it's riddled with bugs and changes for the worse. As an example very recently and as of now Twitter Circles are broken and tweets that should be private only for a select few are visible to anyone in the "For You" tab. This is MASSIVE and probab…

It was always riddled with bugs, I'm not sure why people are blaming that on Musk as that is surely the least applicable of any of the criticisms that get thrown his way. Are people's memories that short that they thought it was a bug free experience up till a few months ago?

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Post by Shekelphile »

nemo44x wrote: post #464
Shekelphile wrote: post #152

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'Censorship regime'? In the time since Musk took over twitter I've gotten right-wing tweets forced into my feed despite not following a single right winger and a ton of high profile people have been banned for speaking out about him. Not to mention that old Twitter never hamfistedly censored people by straight up shadowbanning users for using the words 'mastodon' or 'substack' in their tweets.

You literally said Twitter is less of an echo chamber and that makes me upset. I enjoy seeing a wide spectrum of ideas.

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Post by Shekelphile »

ModernMech wrote: post #295
waboremo wrote: post #220

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Musk is the least of my concerns, I can ignore his account if I cared that much. I can't really ignore that a lot of higher quality accounts have been interacting less because Twitter has become a technical mess, fucking up their timelines and notifications. This sort of loss is quiet, and slow. You only really notice it when it's too late, when your feed is nothing but mindless ads and random accounts you never foll…

> Musk is the least of my concerns, I can ignore his account if I cared that much. You really can't tho. Even if you block him, he'll still routinely show up in your timeline when people tweet a jpg of his tweets. Even if you somehow ignore all that, he'll still do random shit like change the Twitter logo to a dog to make sure you don't forget it's his playground, and you're just an NPC in his main character existenc…

You can't actually block Musk's account these days. If you do, his tweets will still be automatically put in your feed.

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Post by wfme »

nacs wrote: post #372
nicenewtemp84 wrote: post #280

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Imagine spending only 30% of your net worth and getting to experiment with buying and growing one of the most used and talked about sites on the internet. If I spent 30% of my net worth I could buy a condo in the bay, possibly. Although odds are it would be worth close to that if I needed to sell it. But many people spend 30% of their net worth trying to start businesses with almost no traction. Musk spent 30% to buy…

The condo you buy with 30% of your net is going to be worth 30% or more later. That's a good investment. Musk spent 30% of his net worth on it then immediatly burned 90% of the already questionable value it had. What Musk did was just bad business.

> then immediatly burned 90% of the already questionable value it had

citation needed

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Post by taeric »

Nathanba wrote: post #513
andy_ppp wrote: post #318

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Sounds great but you’ll have to provide some logic because I don’t automatically follow your extremely confident opinion…

When Chrome launched, it only launched with ~2-3% market share in the first week compared to Firefox. Everyone thought that Chrome wasn't that good and Firefox would be fine. However I knew on day one that Firefox was in serious trouble and I switched browsers immediately. But what I didn't know is that Firefox would do nothing to compete for 10 years.

Chrome launched with an absurd amount of money to burn, though.

And... I don't recall this "everyone" that you are citing. Chrome launched when Google had a ton of good will.

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Post by wpietri »

brigandish wrote: post #533
wpietri wrote: post #421

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As somebody who used to do anti-abuse engineering for Twitter, maybe I'm biased here. But I don't think his politics are separable from his tolerance for hate speech. I think they're closely related. The tricky part here is, as you point to, not wanting to see people abused is turning out to be good business. That's why Twitter came around on hate speech, harassment, and the like. Claiming to be the "free speech wing…

> which noted liberal Ron DeSantis defines as "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them." That's not a quote from Ron DeSantis. From [0]: > Ryan Newman, DeSantis’s general counsel, said the term referred to “the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.” [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/12/05/desantis-...

Technically true. But Newman said it on the stand, under oath, an a case where DeSantis was being sued for firing a "woke" prosecutor. So I think that's as close to an official answer as we're going to get from DeSantis.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by sanderjd »

lenkite wrote: post #326
andy_ppp wrote: post #318

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Sounds great but you’ll have to provide some logic because I don’t automatically follow your extremely confident opinion…

People here are praying very hard for Twitter to fail. Nearly any social media post nowadays has 50-100 comments predicting Twitter's failure and ranting about Musk. He is living rent-free in many heads now. Its utterly ludicrous how so many intelligent and rational people are becoming un-hinged whenever Twitter/Musk is mentioned.

I actually think the "living rent free in heads" peaked awhile ago. At this point it's just clear in a more pedestrian way that things aren't going well over there.
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