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Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by stametseater »

satvikpendem wrote: post #523
n0tahacker wrote: post #442

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I think this attitude is wrong. A strong democracy doesn't need to fight "fake news" legally and doesn't need their own propaganda op in foreign states like Radio Free Asia etc. If you are banning foreign media in your own country, you are doing the same as China in the end. Why not establish a great firewall?

This is the Paradox of Tolerance in action. One must fight against intolerance in order to preserve their tolerant ideals in the first place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Of course the clear meaning of this paradox is that everybody who disagrees with me is intolerant of me, therefore it is my moral imperative to be intolerant to everybody I oppose. /s

Or here's a better idea: The Golden Rule. Eye for an eye is how you run a war, not a civil society.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by pmoriarty »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #404
FormerBandmate wrote: post #289

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Well yeah, ByteDance directly takes orders from the Chinese government. Big Tech can also take orders from the American government, but America is bound by the rule of law and isn't actively imprisoning millions in concentration camps so it's way better

America actually has a greater percentage of it's citizens in prison than any other country, including China.

It reports a greater percentage of prisoners. Other countries may exceed that percentage, but just not report it.

Totalitarian countries like China, with strict controls over what its government and media report is a prime candidate for grossly underreporting its prison population.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by kelseyfrog »

lazyeye wrote: post #526
kelseyfrog wrote: post #498

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I'm a parent, I guide my kiddos when rationality escapes them. The process itself, parent-child, teaches them how to make their own decisions. Governments can't teach people how to make their own decisions. The statement that trade relationships must be fair is some sort of neoliberal mumbo jumbo. I don't accept it as an assumption or a consequence. You can accept it as axiomatic if you want, but I don't see it as a…

Yes but govts can try to minimize the damage from people making bad decisions. Which they do constantly, across all areas of society. And what you describe as "neo-liberal mumbo-jumbo" I think for most people would be seen as simple commonsense.

It's a social fact which is different from an objective fact based in reality.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by Talanes »

murukesh_s wrote: post #469
jrsj wrote: post #395

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Except a MacBook costs $1000+ when TikTok clones are free

I guess many of us underestimate how many teenagers own a smartphone but not a laptop/desktop computer. In older generation it was the reverse, people owned a laptop/desktop before owning a smartphone..

Even if they have a computer, it's not necessarily going to be an Apple computer. Unless you're a developer, interoperability between your mobile hardware and your desktop hardware is barely a concern.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by ugh123 »

withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

I think what you mean is they need to address both these situations and more.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by shard972 »

withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

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Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by tuxpenguine »

withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

I think this is exactly the manifestation of social media's influence on a person's view on America. I came from another country and lived in America now. If we watch the news from social media, you will inevitably get the sense that the country is in decline: guns out of control, sky-rocketing house and medical expense, non-functioning government etc.

In reality, you take for granted the freedom that you enjoy here, protected by the US military, constitution and rule of law. People in many other countries would go to great lengths to just have what you have.

I agree that gun control is a serious issue, but this TikTok thing can easily cause many more suicides among teenagers if we don't ban it, the scale of harm is much higher than school shootings.

That's my 2 cents.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by caf »

gonehome wrote: post #466
n0tahacker wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this attitude is wrong. A strong democracy doesn't need to fight "fake news" legally and doesn't need their own propaganda op in foreign states like Radio Free Asia etc. If you are banning foreign media in your own country, you are doing the same as China in the end. Why not establish a great firewall?

Do you think the USG would have allowed the USSR to buy NBC? These aren’t new issues, there are certain types of corporations where there is a national security interest in American ownership and capability (see also: Intel). Ownership of airlines is another example, you can’t have a foreign controlling interest in a domestic airline (Richard Branson couldn’t save Virgin America due to this). There are good reasons f…

In the case of airlines it is just straight up protectionism. There's no national security risk there: if push came to shove in time of war the government could simply seize the assets and operate them as they saw fit.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by satvikpendem »

stametseater wrote: post #531
satvikpendem wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the Paradox of Tolerance in action. One must fight against intolerance in order to preserve their tolerant ideals in the first place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Of course the clear meaning of this paradox is that everybody who disagrees with me is intolerant of me, therefore it is my moral imperative to be intolerant to everybody I oppose. /s Or here's a better idea: The Golden Rule. Eye for an eye is how you run a war, not a civil society.

That doesn't always work so well. If some Viking expedition is coming to pillage your "civil society," for example, there's really not much you can do except to fight. Of course, you can decide who to support or oppose as your moral imperative, but don't be surprised if it has negative consequences to you.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by throwawaymaths »

withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

Is it terrifying? How did you feel when the US yanked Grindr away from a chinese holding company? How about when operation chokehold strangled the sex work industry? How about when the US yanked Merck away from its german parent company?
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