I just received an email from one of our investors, sent to all portfolio companies, advising everyone to transfer all of their money out of SVB at 8:30am tomorrow morning. Investment/VC funds are doing the same (we’re talking many, many billions of deposits lost in a span of a few days). There is a chance SVB will freeze assets while they deal w liquidity crunch which may impact startup ability to pay bills, pay sal…
Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank
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#532Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your "countries with Sharia law are good" argument might not be as compelling to me as you seem to think it is... Are there any good examples of non-authoritarian non-dictatorships in this space? Edit to add: You're right, I guess, that our government would probably take over everything and narrowly dodge mass starvation with mere mass poverty, but that doesn't sound great to me either. And mass starvation isn't so f…
I didn't say they were "good", I'm just pointing out that they generally aren't starving, which means your point was hyperbolic. I don't understand why the government would need to "take over everything" to avoid starvation. There's no technical reason that capitalism can't exist without usury. Again I'm not saying usury is good or bad, just that it doesn't 'need' to exist. I suspect it is good for society when well…
If the non-starvation examples are all dictatorships, then what's your point here?
I agree that it's possible for capitalism to exist without "usury". Definitions of "usury" tend to define it as "unreasonably high interest rates". Interest rates right now are like 7%, which isn't particularly high and certainly isn't "unreasonably" high.
The GFC isn't relevant to what's going on here. This is an entirely different (indeed in many ways an opposite) set of problems.
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#533Earlier quoted context omitted.
Citation needed. Also, I’m all ears for a viable replacement that doesn’t devolve into autocracy or government-endorsed corruption, and still allows for taking risk and forward progress.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession Here's some citation for ya. As for viable replacements that allow for forward progress: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_self-management (Also, for that matter, it's not like capitalism doesn't tend to devolve into autocracy and corruption)
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#534Earlier quoted context omitted.
Citation needed. Also, I’m all ears for a viable replacement that doesn’t devolve into autocracy or government-endorsed corruption, and still allows for taking risk and forward progress.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession Here's some citation for ya. As for viable replacements that allow for forward progress: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_self-management (Also, for that matter, it's not like capitalism doesn't tend to devolve into autocracy and corruption)
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#535Earlier quoted context omitted.
How could they issue loans? 10 x 10$ deposits means you can loan 100$? Where as the modern way is more like 100$ in deposits means you can lend out 1000$ because chances are everyone won’t not pay it back? And then can’t you say that since you’ve lent out 1000$ and chances are you’ll get paid back, you’ve basically got 1104.56$ and so can lend out 10k$? And then you bundle those together and sell them to each other d…
Especially in contemporary times banks make money in an immense amount of ways that don't involve touching customer funds: debit transaction fees, international exchange rate "adjustments", ATM fees, the million 'special processing fee' type fees, and so on. In other countries I've even had to pay a fee when depositing, which was quite odd. Of course this all is going to pale in comparison to the amount that banks ma…
That's normal for business banking I think. Trucking cash and coins around isn't free, that stuff is heavy.
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#536The bank re-opened for withdrawals the next day under FDIC control, and was later sold off to another bank.
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#537Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’re always T-Bills…
Your employees don't accept t-bills as payment. Your suppliers don't accept them either. To do business, you need money in a bank account. Not all your money, but a decent chunk of money needs to be there for day to day.
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#538In retrospect, it seems pretty bad to bank somewhere that is tied to one industry for precisely the reason that when the industry starts facing trouble, the money disappears, and doubly so for our risky industry.
It's baffling that banking regulators in the US allow such a racket to exist in the first place. It would be as of "Silicon Valley Insurance Co" were to insure every home in the Bay Area and no other homes anywhere else. The chances of large insurance claims all happening at the same time (the insurance company equivalent of a "bank run") would be unreasonably high if all of the risk were to be concentrated in a single town in an earthquake prone area. Now there are reasonable solutions to diversify that risk away in the insurance industry, such as the reinsurance market.
The US has a strange history of having large numbers of small, independent banks. In other countries (in Canada at least), banking is an oligopoly - the regulator effectively limits the number of banks that exist in the country to only a handful and only a few very large ones. This has the benefit of forcing banks to be large and diversified, thus avoiding the phenomenon of a small bank run or two happening every year like they have in the US. It would appear that the US system is also prone to occasional larger bank runs, like say Lehman Brothers or Silicon Valley Bank... The advantage of the US system is the lack of regulation promotes entrepreneurship and investment, which is something systematically lacking in a country like Canada.
It might also turn out that, in retrospect, it was a bad for the Silicon Valley venture capital industry to be so heavily reliant on a single, non-diversified, local bank. I can't help but wonder how much of a role the VC industry played in this, for example what ever happened to the billions of dollars that the VCs raised for crypto startups? Is Silicon Valley Bank liquidity crisis a domino effect of the cascading bankruptcies and market crashed in the crypto racket?
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#539Earlier quoted context omitted.
Loans are what drive the economy. I’ve used loans for cars and my home, as have most people in the country. Many people make decisions based on income, and not on cash they already have, as few people have massive accumulated cash wealth. Loans are not always a bad thing.
Loans aren't a bad thing as long as they are effectively collateralized. If someone misjudges the value, volatility, etc, of collateral used for loans, those loans could be a bad thing if the borrower stops paying.
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It's bizarre a recurring thing recurs? Particularly when 'venturing' into areas more profitable because of more risk? Here's their loan risk analysis as of EOY: https://i.imgur.com/ZWG157R.jpg Don't miss 14% to "innovation economy influencers"…
What's bizarre is that this is a particularly big bank to be going under. Most of the ones that die are tiny because banks have a real economy of scale here. Lehman and Washington Mutual were truly exceptional cases in the 2008 crisis, and SVB may be right there with them in a few weeks.
[1] which technically didn't fail but had its retail banking operations forcibly absorbed by Citigroup in an overnight shotgun wedding officiated by the FDIC, but hey who's counting