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AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by crote »

notch898a wrote: post #432
crote wrote: post #355

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The medical community didn't delegate it to society. Transitioning is an effective and proven treatment, which has a far higher rate of success than basically any other psychiatry-related treatment. The medical part is pretty much solved, and those physical differences can be reconciled quite well. But as it turns out, the hate from society still remains, and it still has an effect. Turns out being happy is a bit tri…

It would be false equivalence for me to suggest this is a suitable analogue, but it is interesting to note certain amputees are able to perform more or less completely normally from a social perspective in daily life (and possible even excel in sports etc) yet they can still suffer from phantom limb syndrome and have increased risk of suicide, anxiety etc. There is clearly a significant social aspect here but I'm not…

One thing to keep in mind is that the opposite is happening here.

With transgender people, the "original" state is unnatural. Medical treatment fixes this mismatch by making the body match the brain. It is a voluntary treatment with an extremely high success rate and negligible regret rates.

As far as I can tell, there is zero evidence that any remaining issues are caused by the treatment itself. All evidence points that the remaining issues are primarily socially related.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by sireat »

paulmd wrote: post #315
mFixman wrote: post #121

Everybody seems up in arms about this situation, but I find the whole thing hilarious. After half a decade of AI hype without many uses in the wild, we finally live at a point in history where "AI-generated Jerry Seinfeld makes transphobic joke, gets cancelled" is not an Onion headline.

MS already did that with tay, lol. tay wasn't a failure as an AI chatbot, she was probably 5-10 years ahead of her time actually. Beautifully responsive to her users and learning. Unlike chatGPT there wasn't the realization that the Panther Moderns already exist and safeguards needed to be put in place...

It does seem like some subcultures on 4chan are Panther Moderns who thrive on chaos.

https://williamgibson.fandom.com/wiki/Panther_Moderns

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by xcxs »

flangola7 wrote: post #522
ketzo wrote: post #246

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I agree. I’ve literally seen the word “mob,” like, 5 times in this thread already. I think… it’s just an overzealous application of a policy? I don’t really think there’s a woke gang on this one.

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by DoctorOW »

clnq wrote: post #362
ketzo wrote: post #239

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I don’t really see a mob on this one. Twitch has a platform policy that they enforced - probably a little too heavily here. Is there some sort of community outcry elsewhere? I think most people who understand the context of the clip (AI-generated Seinfeld) — even if, like me, their hackles rise at any kind of possibly-transphobic material - would think this was pretty tame/kinda funny.

> I don’t really see a mob on this one Well, it either had to be mass-reported or spread online as a hate incident. I think Twitch mostly over-reacts to those.

Is there evidence of this? It seems like nobody was even really talking about this before the ban and I find it hard to believe a huge movement rose up and then vanished without a trace.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by kweingar »

Slighted wrote: post #426
xwdv wrote: post #113

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Because they think of themselves as special snowflakes above criticism. Its absolutely fine if they make fun of "the straights", but the second you point out things like the word "gender" being coined by a pedophile called John Money whos human test subjects eventually both committed suicide, or that sending children to drag shows with very obvious sexual elements and undertones is evil, or that chopping off their pe…

> Its absolutely fine if they make fun of "the straights", but the second you point out things like…

Surely you can see that these are not parallel situations. “Making fun of the straights” is a different thing entirely than telling trans people they’re evil and messed up.

> you're literally the devil and deserve to be fired from your job, banned from social media, and if they had their way, sent to the mines.

This is a funny complaint, since vast swaths of America have this exact sentiment towards trans people.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by xcxs »

freejazz wrote: post #480
nomel wrote: post #371

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Please make discussion possible by giving specifics rather than using unnecessary secretive terms like “certain people” and “they”. Forcing people to guess should be avoided, especially since not everyone is where you’re from. Links to examples are also helpful.

Utah just banned transitioning youth. Google is your friend, no need to guess.

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by adamrezich »

ekleraki wrote: post #526
adamrezich wrote: post #509

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I'm not going to engage in charged political discussion with you as this is simply not the place for it—HN is a website of curious discussion, and that does not seem to be what you are seeking here in this exchange. I can't speak for everyone but I think many people generally find it uncouth to make blanket political statements like the ones you've made here, on this website, especially when none of it directly had a…

No blanket statements made. I spoke about the GOP, referring to the leadership. No blanket labeling. I merely continued the discussion from this context: > sometimes you can't have nice things because there are people who will abuse them. > there are actual Nazis out there who want to put people in ovens, so it's taboo to make jokes about how they may have a point. > similar thing with trans people, you mention them…

> No blanket statements made. I spoke about the GOP, referring to the leadership. No blanket labeling.

> It is easy to see the two countries are by all means shitholes, and so are red states...

it is possible that you have become so accustomed to "political talking points"-type "discussion" (i.e. twitter) that you genuinely think this is normal, respectful discourse—I would consider reflecting upon this a bit.

> You have repeatedly avoided actual discussion of the matter at hand, the position I put forth

yes, this was intentional—I did not come to this comments thread to discuss Russia or red states or Trump or Republicans or Ben Shapiro or Nazis or Iran or Putin or any of the other dozens of unrelated things you've brought up, and repeated taunts attempting to get me to do so, on your terms, are extremely unbecoming and exceedingly tiring. you already have an entire ideology that explains how you should feel about these things, and I've made it clear that I am familiar with this ideology, yet unwilling to participate in or engage with it—why do you consider this unsatisfactory, to the point of direct personal insults, which I have refrained from thus far? why am I supposed to engage in good-faith discourse with someone who comports themselves thusly? you have yet to give me any incentive for engaging with you and your myriad highly-charged political talking points other than "because I want you to", and then on top of this, you insult me for not taking you up on your offer?

ironically, this is precisely what I was talking about in my original post above: this is exactly the level of discourse I've come to expect from anyone who casually lobs the word "fascists" about. no attempt at good-faith discussion, a complex Byzantine web of interconnected political ideas, any and all of which may be brought into discussion without warning, and a general attitude of abject rudeness.

again: I recommend serious self-reflection.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mynameisvlad »

yesco wrote: post #519
mynameisvlad wrote: post #505

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You can't refute anything I've said so you've pivoted to ad-hominems ;)

I’m not bothering to because you made your stance more than clear enough.

I’d be willing to engage with someone coming in with good intent but your instant downward spiral into right wing rhetoric makes it obvious you aren’t and won’t actually listen to anything that goes against the narrative.

In short, I already know it’s not worth my time.

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Post by mrozbarry »

flangola7 wrote: post #506
mrozbarry wrote: post #455

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I want to be clear, I'm not saying being trans is or is not an ideology in and of itself, but that doesn't mean there are no ideologies that revolve around it.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by sixQuarks »

brookst wrote: post #331
sixQuarks wrote: post #255

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uhhh, yes. Are you serious? That's not how companies work. A company is not there to cater to all the whims of employees, if it were, all profits would simply go to employee salaries.

Whims, no. And you’re taking an absolutist position which is silly (“if a company won’t do business in South Africa because employees demand, they would obviously give all of their money to employees”) But companies can and do respond to larger concerns. Not because they’re moral animals but because it’s good business. And yes, it is harder to attract good talent running an old school “we take no responsibility for a…

I would count employees wanting draconian censorship, which not everyone agrees with, to be a whim. Safe working conditions is not a whim, sexual harassment is not a whim. See the difference?
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