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Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Post by lern_too_spel »

fidgewidge wrote: post #530
lern_too_spel wrote: post #528

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The Federalist Papers explain both what was a disaster about the confederacy and why a confederacy had no possible outcome other than to be a disaster.

Thanks. I will try to find time to read them. If you know if a good summary of their arguments that'd be appreciated.

A quick skim suffices to get an overview of what the authors say are unavoidable failures in confederacies. Each paper focuses on a particular topic, giving examples from governments in antiquity and contemporary governments, with some exposition about how the way they were set up led them inevitably to failure in that area.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Post by dingusdew »

lizzardbraind wrote: post #243
dingusdew wrote: post #202

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Unpopular opinion: If you don't like democracy and use your democratic rights to actively work to dismantle it, you probably shouldn't actually be allowed to participate in democracy since you are operating in bad faith.

If you let them vote, they'll vote to destroy their society. If you don't let them vote, they'll act to destroy their society. It would be emotionally satisfying, but ultimately destructive. It would also be ripe for abuse; imagine how awful it would be if we had secret lists of people who weren't allowed to do other normal activities, like air travel or vehicle registration.

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Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Post by ecmascript »

tokai wrote: post #35
ecmascript wrote: post #31

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I don't understand how this is an argument for staying though, even if so many brings it up. It feels more or less impossible to influence EU-politicians. I don't know who they are, what they do or barely how the EU system works. It is too complicated for laymen to get into in general. If a local politician proposes a stupid law as this one, I can call them up on my phone while when EU does it you don't even know it'…

>I don't know who they are, what they do It is extremely easy to find out. You even had an election where you voted for one of them (if you showed up for the vote). Here you go [0]. Start sending them emails about this. [0] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/search/advanced?count...

Sorry for the late reply but HN didn't allow me posting it before.

I did send them an email. Only one replied.

Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU

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Post by tokai »

ecmascript wrote: post #533
tokai wrote: post #35

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>I don't know who they are, what they do It is extremely easy to find out. You even had an election where you voted for one of them (if you showed up for the vote). Here you go [0]. Start sending them emails about this. [0] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/search/advanced?count...

Sorry for the late reply but HN didn't allow me posting it before. I did send them an email. Only one replied.

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